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| Tweet Topic Started: Dec 2 2003, 11:49 AM (409 Views) | |
| Admiralbill_gomec | Dec 2 2003, 11:49 AM Post #1 |
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This came from an interview between Howard Dean and Chris Matthews on MSNBC: "The essence of capitalism, which the right-wing never understands -- it always baffles me -- is, you got to have some rules," Dean explained to Matthews and students at Harvard. MATTHEWS: Well, would you break up GE? (APPLAUSE) DEAN: I can`t -- you... MATTHEWS: GE just buys Universal. Would you do something there about that? Would you stop that from happening? DEAN: You can`t say -- you can`t ask me right now and get an answer, would I break up X corp... MATTHEWS: We`ve got to do it now, because now is the only chance we can ask you, because, once you are in, we have got to live with you. (LAUGHTER) DEAN: No. MATTHEWS: So, if you are going to do it, you have got to tell us now. (CROSSTALK) MATTHEWS: Are you going to break up the giant media enterprises in this country? DEAN: Yes, we`re going to break up giant media enterprises. That doesn`t mean we`re going to break up all of GE. What we`re going to do is say that media enterprises can`t be as big as they are today. I don`t think we actually have to break them up, which Teddy Roosevelt had to do with the leftovers from the McKinley administration. Dean explained how "11 companies in this country control 90 percent of what ordinary people are able to read and watch on their television. That`s wrong. We need to have a wide variety of opinions in every community. We don`t have that because of Michael Powell and what George Bush has tried to do to the FCC." Matthews continued: "Would you break up Fox?" (LAUGHTER) MATTHEWS: I`m serious. DEAN: I`m keeping a... MATTHEWS: Would you break it up? Rupert Murdoch has "The Weekly Standard." It has got a lot of other interests. It has got "The New York Post." Would you break it up? DEAN: On ideological grounds, absolutely yes, but... (LAUGHTER) MATTHEWS: No, seriously. As a public policy, would you bring industrial policy to bear and break up these conglomerations of power? DEAN: I don`t want to answer whether I would break up Fox or not, because, obviously (CROSSTALK) MATTHEWS: Well, how about large media enterprises? DEAN: Let me -- yes, let me get... (LAUGHTER) DEAN: The answer to that is yes. I would say that there is too much penetration by single corporations in media markets all over this country. We need locally-owned radio stations. There are only two or three radio stations left in the state of Vermont where you can get local news anymore. The rest of it is read and ripped from the AP. MATTHEWS: So what are you going to do about it? You`re going to be president of the United States, what are you going to do? DEAN: What I`m going to do is appoint people to the FCC that believe democracy depends on getting information from all portions of the political spectrum, not just one. One would guess that Howard Dean doesn't like business. |
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| ImpulseEngine | Dec 2 2003, 01:06 PM Post #2 |
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AB, what exactly is your point? Is it you don't like his manner of speaking? Is it you don't like his desire to break up large corporations? What..? |
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| Hoss | Dec 2 2003, 01:31 PM Post #3 |
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I think that the point was is that Dean is taking the standard Democratic tactic of demonizing big business because it plays on people's fears of powerlessness. Nevermind that most people are employed by big and mid-size business. I am much more afraid of being powerless in the face of an overbearing government busting up and over regulating corporations in an effort to appeal to some constiuency group. We need intelligent leadership. Dean so far is a monkey following the Democratic party handbook (revised by Bill Clinton) |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Dec 2 2003, 03:42 PM Post #4 |
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My commentary was on Dean's desire to break up what he considers "giant media enterprises". This would (IDEOLOGICALLY) mean that he'd break up those meanies at Fox News. He doesn't say much about CNN or CBS and hemmed and hawed about NBC. In other words, say good bye to FREE SPEECH! |
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| Dandandat | Dec 2 2003, 04:06 PM Post #5 |
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^^^^^^^ But it was Matthews that brought up FOX not Dean |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Dec 2 2003, 04:24 PM Post #6 |
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That is true, but Dean said, "On ideological grounds, absolutely yes" That scares the hell out of me. |
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| benetil | Dec 2 2003, 06:13 PM Post #7 |
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Ooooo - former Governor Dean is obviously an evil-doer (or at least an evil-speaker) - probably a Socialist (maybe even a Communist) who has designs on ending Capitalism (I believe that is how our current President would label him). I own some GE - so I tend to see things from a certain perspective. I've seen the market value of my GE stock drop like a whale turd over the past two to three years - all while we hear about the unimaginable "takings" of a guy like Jack Welch. My personal opinion is that the company's (GE's) executives are much more of a threat to stakeholders - indeed more of a threat to the company itself - than a US President could or would ever be. |
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| Cool Vulcan | Dec 2 2003, 06:57 PM Post #8 |
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Bill, does this mean that they want to get rid of the first Admendment, that the founding fathers fought for? If so that really bad. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Dec 2 2003, 06:58 PM Post #9 |
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Howard "Mayor of Vermont" Dean IS a Socialist... you got that right. Sell GE. Buy Stewart Title. |
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| benetil | Dec 2 2003, 07:34 PM Post #10 |
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Ha!! I love the joke about Osama bin Laden/George Washington that trails your posts! A witty guy that I kind of like named Christopher Hitchens had another very funny take on the whole "harem of virgins" afterlife reward thing - that if the suicide bombers would scrutinize the Talmudic text, they'd clearly see the references that go to caution that every one of the virgins will be bringing her mother along. |
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| benetil | Dec 2 2003, 07:39 PM Post #11 |
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Ah, poo - Howard Dean is not a Socialist, not at all. You're just upset that what he (Dean) said (about the media conglomerates) resonates with so many common-sense Americans. Thanks for the comment about STC, Admiralbill_gomec. I'll take a look. Take care. |
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| Cool Vulcan | Dec 2 2003, 07:49 PM Post #12 |
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Do yu know who came up with it? Thats right, Robin Williams. I was looking for quotes from his DVD live on Broaddway 2002. I bought in Virgina after seeing it in Atlantic City and fixed my DVD player for multi-reagin I enjoyed and Robin Williams is pretty funny. I am sure Admiralbill would be insulted at the MET one he did back in 85. I really don't know why people want to stop free speech, without it you get dumbed down like I am here. |
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| doctortobe | Dec 2 2003, 07:50 PM Post #13 |
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Was he being serious or was he joking? If he was being funny, and the fact that the audience laughed at his comment seems to indicate that, then I hardly see it as a threat to free speech. |
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| Wichita | Dec 2 2003, 08:03 PM Post #14 |
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Sorry I can't get past the campaign .... 2004: Which multi-millionaire from a privileged background will we choose?
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Dec 2 2003, 08:55 PM Post #15 |
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I'm sorry, Benetil, but Howard Dean IS a socialist (look up the definition, compare it to what he has said, and tell me elsewise). Define "common sense" Americans for me. I think I have a great deal of common sense, yet I'd cross the street to get away from a Howard Dean speech, especially with the faux "working guy" rolled up sleeves thing. Someone needs to tell Howie, "Dude, it is DECEMBER." STC has made me a great deal of money in the past year. Worth investing in. |
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