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Damn you, Howard Dean, and our media; savages...8247's pissed!
Topic Started: Dec 2 2003, 01:31 AM (454 Views)
8247
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:realmad: This has been brewing for months, and what I heard about Howard Dean's comments, and the media's coverage of the fight yesterday in Iraq just put me over the top. Yes, political 8247 is back.
First of all....Howard Dean can go to hell. He had the audacity to undermine President Bush's visit to the troops over Thanksgiving by saying that it was only as a result of political motivation. He said, and I quote "It was nice, but how can he(President Bush) justify the fact that these brave men and women shouldnt even be in Iraq in the first place." He went there to improve morale, and raise spirits. Only a representative of a political party who is fighting for anything to make the president look bad would undermine a great gesture like the Bush did. If word of that got out while he was there, President Bush would have possibly been the first president to get killed by an enemy we were at war with, and if our media had gotten wind of the visit, they would have broadcasted it all ofer the world. President Bush would have been a sitting duck.
Now, onto our media...All they want to do is report every single soldier who gets killed there. If they could show pictures of every corpse, they would. They dont give a damn about anything good at all. You dont have to look very hard to see that they are worse than scavengers by picking out only the negative reports from this war. It was great when we had embedded reporters there, who didnt have time to sit there and filter out the good. They saw something, and they reported on it. Now, all they do is get reports in from Iraq, good and bad, but they CENSOR the good. I'm tired of it, and I hope each and every reporter and polititian who is doing this gets a serious dose of reality soon.
Before April, on ST.com, I posted that I was going to join the military after I had a shoulder surgery. I'm still not 100%, and I'm not happy about it. I know quite a few soldiers who are in Iraq and Afghanastan from the 101st Airborne Division. I dont know anything about what has been going on there that has been good except for it was 101st soldiers who killed Quasay, and Uday Hussein. BUT, I do know that it was 101st soldiers who's bodies were mutilated last week by Iraqis. What's wrong with this picture? I have a good friend there who was keeping in touch with me regularly. He stopped emailing me 2 months ago. I feel that he is still alive, but I'm sure if he died, the media would know his name...as well as every other soldier KIA before the soldier's family would know.
Our media has no soul. They, and the democratic presidential hopefuls are exploiting our soldiers lives for their own good.
They can ALL go to hell. :realmad:
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somerled
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hi 8247

You might not agree with what Mr.Dean says but it seems to me that he has a valid point.

I for one am rather cynical about Bush Jr's recent flying visit to Bagdad and think that it perhaps had more to do with making a good impression with the American electorate. I understand he only took a small number of journalists with him and excluded most the large networks - sounds like the whole thing was choreographed to me.

I take it that you are maybe 18 years old and just recently graduated from highschool. You need a little more experience of the world and I guess joining the military is a good way of getting that - good luck - and don't worry - the War on Terror will be going for a long time so you'll get your chance (if you make the grade to become a front line rifleman) to prove yourself if you must.
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You're funny. I'm 30. I have a strong opinion when it comes to this. You can envision me as a little kid with no experience if you like, but I assure you...If I joined the military, I would be taking a pay cut. Wanting to join the military at 29 had to do with loyalty to my country. Not wanting to go kill a bunch of bad guys; but a messed up rotator cuff in my shoulder kept me from doing it.
You made a misguided observation about me, now here's some advice from me to you...Not everything that happens is politically motivated, and not everything that people do is for "proving one's self" Real people do things based on convictions, morals, and beliefs with no hidden agendas.
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Really.

What are the age limitations for joining the military in the USA ?

Here in Australia - the ADF will not accept anyone older than 35 as new enlistment

here are the specs - you might find them interested - your forces probably have similar requirements - http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/careers_explorer/AddInfo3.html

Question : I find it hard to understand why would you want to enlist at your age ?
(some burning desire or impulse to be patriotic doesn't really wash - your country's situation doesn't warrant it - are you perhaps trying to distance yourself from a relationship breakdown ?)

Question : are you hoping for a commission ?
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I think that you can still join up to 32 years old.

I think that they can draft you as old as 45 if they want a 45 year old.

This Dean thing is typical for the Democratic party. It is SOP, they do nothing but accuse the Republicans of playing politics, but it is in truth their own strategy.

Gephart did this a few weeks ago when the chopper crash killed so many and now we have Dean. It is from the Democratic party's handbook.

Friends don't let friends vote for Democrats
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I don’t know about Howard Dean but I do agree with this statement

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Our media has no soul


IMO this is a relatively true statement. Our media is not what it use to be, its no longer about uncovering the truth, its about advancing careers and getting the ratings to sell burgers to the viewers.

I call for reform in the News Circuit - VIVA REVOLUTION!
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somerled
Dec 2 2003, 07:08 AM
Really.

What are the age limitations for joining the military in the USA ?

Here in Australia - the ADF will not accept anyone older than 35 as new enlistment

here are the specs - you might find them interested - your forces probably have similar requirements - http://www.defencejobs.gov.au/careers_explorer/AddInfo3.html

Question : I find it hard to understand why would you want to enlist at your age ?
(some burning desire or impulse to be patriotic doesn't really wash - your country's situation doesn't warrant it - are you perhaps trying to distance yourself from a relationship breakdown ?)

Question : are you hoping for a commission ?

You can join the Army up to 35. I just felt like it was the thing to do. All the men on my dad's side of the family were in the Army, and I always said that I would go if the US was attacked. Thats my reasoning behind it. Luckily, my dad, and brother are understanding about my shoulder keeping me out. The sad thing is that I doubt it will ever be 100% again.
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Real people do things based on convictions, morals, and beliefs with no hidden agendas.

Well said. I don't often find those qualities in people with whom I have personal relationships, but when I do, it's gratifying. :)
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People like Howard Dean, with no agenda of their own, can only make points by tearing others down. There is a contingent in this country, mostly angry college students from the middle and upper classes, who have been spoonfed liberal dogma for years and believe it to be fact. THIS is the average Dean voter, and also the same demographic you'd see at a Moby "concert"! The Dean voter is usually a white liberal suffering from what we call "white guilt" (guilty about having something that others don't... indoctrinated by the leftists in academia).

Why do they resent Bush? A few reasons... 1) He is a moral man. 2) He is a religious man. He has been to the brink, seen what is there, and took the step back. 3) He is a man of strong convictions. Leftists see everything as a shade of gray, where conservatives are more prone to see things in terms of black and white. 4) He is the anti-Clinton. The left HATES the fact that "Good Time Charlie" is gone and the adults are back in charge. 5) They haven't gotten over the 2000 elections (even though Bush is the THIRD U.S. president elected while his opponent got more of the popular vote), ignored the 2002 elections, and live in this fantasy world where anything goes.

As for the trip to Baghdad, the left will NEVER see the good in it. Rather than think that this was done as a morale booster, they equate Bush to Clinton (who was always in "campaign mode") and think this was nothing more than a few feet of celluloid for the election campaign.

The hard lefties of the Dean campaign claim to support the troops. I personally think that is nothing but opportunistic crap. I would be willing to bet that any serviceman or servicewoman walking by one of their "peaceful protests" would be jeered, cursed, and spat at. What have they EVER done for the troops? Have they participated in "Support the troops" rallys? Have they given to the supply drives? I have seen NONE of them at events such as these, and was on the board of a supply drive here in Houston last April. They are GUTLESS COWARDS who HATE America!

Yes, I do believe the Dean voter hates America. Rather than be a part of a society where ANYONE has the opportunity to succeed (or fail), they'd rather be a citizen of some banana republic nanny state (like France or Germany) where the productive are taxed and the lazy are cared for.

AMERICA! LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!
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I almost forgot, due to me going on a rant on my previous post.

8247, if you want to join the Navy, enlisted people can range from 18-34 (17 if you have a parent's permission, but I know you don't need that) and you need at least a 70 on the ASVAB test. Based on the number of college hours you have, you go in to boot camp as a Seaman Recruit (E-1), Seaman Apprentice (E-2), or Seaman (E-3). If you have either a BA or BS from an accredited college/university, and are between 19 and 35, you can go to OCS (officer candidate school). Three months later and you're an ensign (O-1).
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There is a contingent in this country, mostly angry college students from the middle and upper classes, who have been spoonfed liberal dogma for years and believe it to be fact.

This I agree with 100%. It (this mindset) manifests itself is some very subtle ways, too. And, I'm not convinced that their actions are even understood by them themselves. If only some would stop and test what they have been taught as 'truth,' then there might be some enlightenment.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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This usually happens when they graduate from college and get real jobs.

The first thing they find out:

Life isn't fair.

The second thing they find out:

The business world doesn't approve of multiple body piercings and tattoos.

The third thing they find out:

LOOK HOW MUCH I PAY IN TAXES!
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Admiralbill_gomec
Dec 2 2003, 11:27 AM
This usually happens when they graduate from college and get real jobs.

The first thing they find out:

Life isn't fair.

The second thing they find out:

The business world doesn't approve of multiple body piercings and tattoos.

The third thing they find out:

LOOK HOW MUCH I PAY IN TAXES!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

So true..... So very true...
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Admiralbill_gomec
Dec 2 2003, 12:27 PM
This usually happens when they graduate from college and get real jobs.

The first thing they find out:

Life isn't fair.

The second thing they find out:

The business world doesn't approve of multiple body piercings and tattoos.

The third thing they find out:

LOOK HOW MUCH I PAY IN TAXES!

I must agree.

The one thing that I hate about my generation and the one below mine is just this.

The fact that we/they don’t know what the real world is like - and that every one that was suppose to care for them (teachers, parents and ect) let them/us go on believing in this make believe world.

I cringe every time I hear about some family who’s child dropped out of college and the parents let them live at home while they take a job at the local retail store to make a little money.

I feel I am a lucky child of my generations, who had parents who kicked me in the ass every time I tired to delude my self in this way.
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Admiralbill_gomec
Dec 2 2003, 10:52 AM
What have they EVER done for the troops? Have they participated in "Support the troops" rallys? Have they given to the supply drives? I have seen NONE of them at events such as these, and was on the board of a supply drive here in Houston last April. They are GUTLESS COWARDS who HATE America!

Just asking a few “devil’s advocate” type questions…not indicative of any personal feelings…


Why do you consider people who do not go out of their way to support the troops, go to rallies and donate to the supply drives gutless cowards who hate America?

Military service personnel are people too. They get paid to do a job. Other people have difficult jobs. Other people serve this Country (in a non-military fashion), yet they are not considered “untouchable.” Why should those who serve in the military be treated like the Holy Grail simply for doing a job (sure a dangerous one at times)…but still a job that they made the decision to sign up for?
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