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Carpenter Street - Official Review Thread; ***Warning Spoilers***
Topic Started: Nov 26 2003, 04:02 PM (571 Views)
Admiralbill_gomec
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KiraAnara
Nov 27 2003, 02:23 PM
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1. This was predictable in that "members of the Enterprise crew travel back in time to modern day Earth". I think the only series that didn't visit its "present day" was TNG, but they did go back to 1880 or so.

I don't think DS9 came to present time ever either. They went to the 21st century, but that was it. Up until now it was only TOS and VOY.

DS9 did momentarily visit the present, in that same episode... Kira and O'Brien were searching for the rest of them (stuck in the early 21st century). They stopped every 30 years or so, and appeared in what you could call "present day." So... technically, they did visit the present, even just for a minute! We're thinking of the same episode (with the Bell riots), but I'm just being more... retentive!
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Admiralbill_gomec
Nov 28 2003, 01:58 AM
KiraAnara
Nov 27 2003, 02:23 PM
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1. This was predictable in that "members of the Enterprise crew travel back in time to modern day Earth". I think the only series that didn't visit its "present day" was TNG, but they did go back to 1880 or so.

I don't think DS9 came to present time ever either. They went to the 21st century, but that was it. Up until now it was only TOS and VOY.

DS9 did momentarily visit the present, in that same episode... Kira and O'Brien were searching for the rest of them (stuck in the early 21st century). They stopped every 30 years or so, and appeared in what you could call "present day." So... technically, they did visit the present, even just for a minute! We're thinking of the same episode (with the Bell riots), but I'm just being more... retentive!

DS9 also went back to the 1930's or 40's in the episode where the Ferengi characters travelled back.
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Minuet,

That's right--1947 in Roswell (DS9). :)
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but the 1940's is not present day. I don't recall them hoping to our time, just the 60's.
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But in Voyager they visited the 1990's, and we find out that a Federation timeship has been apparently abandoned on Earth since the 1960's...where is Section 31? Where is Daniels' Starfleet? And the fact that a 20th century human was allowed to use its technology to muck around with history (possibly eliminating the Eugenics Wars in the process)?
Maybe that timeship will be the key to setting the Trek timeline straight at the end of Enterprise? Could Berman have put plans in motion that far back for the events of Enterprise? Could that be why the Enterprise encountered the timeship they found, so that they would be familiar with the technology?
Hmmmmm......
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Thats a good theroy starbase. If and when Enterprise reaches the last episode of season seven, Enterprise will come up against this time paradox changing history to the correct timeline. I can imagine that the end we see them heading out on a maddien voyage the one that shoud've been. I really think Enterprise is like a large alteration and the 29th century knows it. All the events of the past shows have still come to pass but of or two thing haven't until then. Last night I was reading a letter in my monthly dose, that I use as referance purposes and to look at now and then. Someone said something about the continunity not being right for the show. The editor said that the Klingon may of had first contact with the Federation 2218, humans 2151. Spock told us that the Romulans didn't have cloaks, maybe small ships had? Voyager encountered 1996 and to me it looked like early summer maybe June 1996, also I think it may of been Europe that Khan rose to power not America I don't remember if Khan said where in Space Speed. Enterprise NX-01 could be DX-1000 Type upraded from the 500.
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Hey, one of those "Five-Minute" parodies of this episode has been posted at the following website:

http://www.3sygma.com/fiveminute/enterpris...nterstreet.html

Enjoy!
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Okay, I liked Carpenter Street. :)

Here are some of the good points. Once again, the musical score was wonderful. (If anyone cares to discuss, please let me know. Otherwise, I'm not going to bother writing anything more about that aspect of the episode.)

It was nice to see Daniels. Yes Starbase, I recall the reference, and will (over time, even a couple of years if need be) be very curious to see how this is eventually resolved. I thought it was interesting how no reference was made to Archer and T'Pol being gone (i.e., in the past) for no more than a second or two. Trip intimated this by his expressions (no dialogue--nice!), but we were left wondering just what had happened there. It reminded me of when Kirk and Co. returned in City on the Edge of Forever (Scotty's remark). I also liked the way they got to the past--it was new, and was (for me) refreshing. I had to rewind the tape a couple of times to see that one again. :)

Seeing the Vulcan pinch was a nice touch, IMO. I don't believe it's the first time, however. I know I've seen it in at least one other episode of ENT, and perhaps two. Maybe it was the pilot, but I can't recall at present.

The scene at Burgerland was very funny. I thought T'Pol was going to short-circuit the speaker--why are those speakers *always* very loud? (This occurs in reality as well!) Anyway, if she (and Vulcans in general, I believe) were not already a self-professed vegetarian, that thread would have gotten on my nerves. I don't need political plugs, thank you. :)

I thought the portrayal of the main man (the one that was taken in by police at the conclusion) was done rather well. (Granted, his apartment could have used a cleaning.) Gosh, his mention of ray guns really had me thinking that the police would have a field day with this 'crackpot.'

I didn't know that there were eight blood types--it was nice to be educated while watching the show. And when Archer was being 'drained,' so to speak, I thought he was convincing--except that for some reason (I don't know why!) I thought he was going to be recognized by one of the Xindi.

When the Xindi were shot, I swear I saw two (of three) go down, yet two somehow escaped, one with the virus. Question: Why two weapons? If the planet is going to be decimated, why would a biological weapon also be needed?

BTW--I'm with T'Pol as far as not being convinced that they had really travelled back in time app. 150 years. More evidence than that would be needed to convince skeptical me. ;) And, did anyone pick up that Archer and T'Pol didn't really travel back into *our* past? The year stated was 2004. :)

Anyway, this episode was entertaining, and filled with many things that will, I believe, be resolved either in the concluding ten-story Xindi arc or perhaps early next year.

I give this episode four stars out of five. :)
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