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Alien Crew Members on the Enterprise
Topic Started: Nov 25 2003, 11:51 PM (572 Views)
24thcenstfan
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Dec 1 2003, 06:29 PM
Just saw your last line.  Yes, all is well with Piper and I, and the little ones, thank you.  I think we need to rekindle the Charmed thread.  :yes: :wow:

I plan on doing that later tonight. :D I have several comments about an update TribbleMom provided for me on last week's Charmed.

Let me warn you though, there will be lots of spoilers...so enter at your own risk. :ph43r: :)
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Fesarius
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24thcenstfan,

Great! I can hardly wait. (BTW, because I don't have a Dish this year, I am receiving taped copies of ENT at a rate of about 3-4 episodes per month, excluding repeats. I have been reading some of the spoilers, however. :))
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First, I have to say that I agree with the idea that Vulcan societal norms are well established by the mid-22nd century. Second, I guess I could understand and go along with Minuet's theory if it weren't for the fact that we have essentially had T'Pol behaving somewhat un-Vulcanlike even prior to the incident with the mind meld in season 2. It might have exacerbated preexisting propensity to experience things in a non-Vulcan way, but it does not explain away all of her past "indiscretions".

They need to go back to the book on Vulcans and reestablish the character or finally give us an explanation for her aberrant behavior...
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ImpulseEngine
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24censtfan,
I didn't see this post until now so I'm answering your original comments. I had similar thoughts but about Phlox, not T'Pol. I can understand T'Pol being on board because the Vulcans have worked so closely with humans on the space program and the rationale they gave for wanting a Vulcan on Enterprise seemed acceptable to me. But where did Phlox come from...?

Also, I agree that T'Pol doesn't seem very Vulcan. I have always thought the reason for this is that the producers are too busy using Blalock as a sex object instead paying more attention to decent writing for her character. Even before Broken Bow ever aired, I read that they were going to emphasize her sexuality. It sounded like a bad idea at the time to me and I still think so.
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Well, I still believe that Blalock pulls off the character rather well. She can only work with what she's given, right? In other words, if she's told to be somewhat emotional, she can't ignore that. I appreciate her portrayal of T'Pol. In some ways she has similar mannerisms to Spock, although I have yet to see her swing from a tree while laughing. ;)
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ImpulseEngine
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I agree with you. It's the material she's being given to work with, not her acting.

LOL, about swinging from a tree laughing! :lol:
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IE,

I really believe that she portrays her character well. Her facial expressions are convincing, her eyes are at times piercing (e.g., see Singularity), and her gestures (including body language) are non-human. (Please don't ask me to elaborate on that. ;)) But overall (to me at least) it's as if she's watched Spock quite closely over the years, and that this has influenced (I'll stop short of saying served as a model) her Vulcan-like demeanor and mannerisms. I doubt very much that these are intuitive. I'm surprised only a few posters have commented on these aspects of her characterization. This leads me to believe I could be mistaken, but I don't think so.
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Dec 4 2003, 12:19 AM
But where did Phlox come from...?

Good question!!! I am going to chalk Phlox's presence up to more of B&B's mysterious and unexplained. Although, I vaguely remember that there was an attempt to explain Phlox's presence on Enterprise in Broken Bow. But I could be wrong about that. I'll have to go back and check.

Regardless, a Denobulin doctor on Enterprise...definitely more far-fetched than a Vulcan Science Officer. Especially considering Earth is in its infant stages of space travel; and my impression is that there had been little if no contact with aliens (other than Vulcans) before Broken Bow.


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According to Broken Bow, after Archer had spent some time *carefully* selecting each and every crew member, he was still without a science officer and a ship's doctor. When the Klingon was brought in, he told the Admiral he would be ready to go in three days. He then knocked on the glass and motioned to Phlox - who happened to be the doctor taking care of the Klingon - and said "I need to talk with you". Because no one on Earth had heard of Klingons, Phlox, it was assumed, could keep him (the Klingon) alive for the original 8 day trip and that they would get a different doctor when they returned - which they didn't until after the Xindi attack.

Of course, the fact they never returned to Earth after Broken Bow never made sense anyway IMO.
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Ah yes, I remember that scene now. It has been a long time since I last saw Broken Bow. I think my original confusion stemmed from not being able to recall why Phlox was even on Earth. Was he there on Earth through his own initiation (Denobulin space exploration/sort of ambassador for First Contact type of mission), or had Phlox been brought in by the Vulcan’s prior to the Klingons showing up (was acting in the capacity as a doctor/researcher for the Vulcans)?
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24, I think I can answer your question about Phlox. If I remember correctly, Phlox was part of a Vulcan/alien exchange program and had a Vulcan counterpart who was on Denobulus (or whatever his planet is called). That's why Phlox was on Earth at that time.

Julia
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Dec 5 2003, 09:20 AM
24, I think I can answer your question about Phlox. If I remember correctly, Phlox was part of a Vulcan/alien exchange program and had a Vulcan counterpart who was on Denobulus (or whatever his planet is called). That's why Phlox was on Earth at that time.

Julia

Thanks!!! One more aspect of this crazy show we call Enterprise has now been cleared up for me. ;) :)
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Before Rose's and Jjtrek's explanations, I assumed it was Phlox who landed at Roswell in 1947.... :alien:
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Dec 5 2003, 11:39 AM
Before Rose's and Jjtrek's explanations, I assumed it was Phlox who landed at Roswell in 1947.... :alien:

Don't you watch DS9? The Roswell aliens were Quark, Rom and Nog :alien:
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Minuet,

Ha! Yes, and those funny looking people--I think they were called 'huuummans'--were knocking themselves on their heads! :)
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