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| Dandandat | Nov 26 2003, 06:24 PM Post #16 |
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Time to put something here
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So what number of people constitute a group, in order to seen as good or bad, and worthy of giving them what they want? If all the pedofiles in the world unit and a few of them blow them selves up in a crowded market place or a school. Should we then by your logic, give them what they want? Because they after all are a minority that wants something the majority wont let them have correct? Why even wait for a conflict to give the minorities what they want. Why not just let every group in the world have what they want even if the majority do not see it as a reasonable idea. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Nov 26 2003, 09:09 PM Post #17 |
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Let us not forget the treatment of the Maori by the New Zealand settlers... weren't there two Maori wars? |
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| nztrekkie | Nov 26 2003, 10:41 PM Post #18 |
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I agree your situation is much more complicated than here, especially as our Maori people actually signed a treayy with Queen Victoria which helped things along a bit. However, my real question interest lays in what the average American thinks today about "indigenous" issues - are people more aware than say a decade or two ago ? are indigenous people simply seen as bludgers on govt handouts, like they were / are seen here by some ? Another difference in our two colonsing experiences is that we were done alot more recently than the US; also, may of the Maori claims originiate only from War time. So it was still fresh in some people's memory. As I have said before, about $1 billion worth of land and assets have been returned to tribes here and after initial concerns and some fear, guess what ? no one really noticed the difference. |
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| Hoss | Dec 1 2003, 08:49 AM Post #19 |
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I don't think that the average American gives more than two minutes of thought per year to the indians. What does indigenous mean anyhow? Everyone everywhere except some part of Africa is not indigenous. I was born in Texas, USA, North America, that is where I am native, indigenous and so on. And that is where I belong. I don't feel like I owe anything to indians for anything. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Dec 1 2003, 11:23 AM Post #20 |
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Those American Indians who haven't incorporated into our society still live on reservations, and they depend on the federal government for everything. I visited the Pine Ridge reservation in South Dakota back in the early 90s (a shipmate came from nearby Rapid City). All I could think of, after seeing the people lolling around there, was "GET A JOB!" |
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| Swidden | Dec 1 2003, 09:26 PM Post #21 |
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Adm. Gadfly-at-large; Provisional wRench-fly at large
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Well, when one considers just how successful some tribes are becoming by opening Casino's on reservation land (or in some cases any land owned outright by a tribe) the Native American's may just end up with the last laugh... They were a big factor in the recent recall election here in California (scared the heck out Govenor Schwarzenegger's campaign!) |
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