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Iraq...an albatross around our necks?
Topic Started: Nov 24 2003, 09:21 AM (462 Views)
Admiralbill_gomec
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Dandandat
Nov 25 2003, 09:15 AM

(respectfully) you are being an unsensible American again. Its not that they have different news in New Zealand – (respectfully) its just that New Zealanders (and the rest of the world for that matter (respectfully)) are more capable of sensibly interpreting the situation then Americans. Especially (respectfully) since Americans are unable to see that they are being lied to by a moron, and are too patriotic (which - respectfully is a bad thing ) to see the truth.

The only sensible conclusions that one can come up with are that, Americans are always wrong. Or (respectfully) Americans are as stupid as everyone believes they are. These are the only two explanations that a civilized country could come up with. … (respectfully)

This has been a satire … and should not necessarily be seen as the only sensible truth – but (respectfully) I doubt you Americans will be able to understand that, and your moronic government will most likely claim it was never said. … (respectfully of cores)

ROTFLMFAO!!!!!

Thank you, Dante! :lol: :lol:
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somerled
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I can't speak from the majority of my countrymen or even less so for Kiwies.

We hear and see news reports every day about what's happening in Iraq - lots of it troubling, and some negative, and about the same amount positive (attempts by the federal government to a positive spin on Iraq and also for by the USA and UK and the governing organisation in Iraq similarly).

I make an effort to source my news from a wide range of sources - including overseas sources as I think it is important to inform yourself (something my pop and my dad instilled in me when I was growing up) and I naturally curious and have an inquiring mind anyway.

Those of my countrymen who only source their news from the commercial networks are largely only getting pro-USA and pro-UK and pro-government slants on the news as Rupert Murdoc owns a large part of our commercial news networks and his is a rabid Americanophile.
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somerled
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I believe the bombings in Istanbul were a tactical error on their part (being a predominantly Islamic state) and may have had something to do the aspirations of Turkey's Kirdish minority (who may have seen an opportunity to destabilise the government of Turkey as a consequence of gains made by their Iraqi relations).

Just a theory.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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somerled
Nov 25 2003, 10:46 AM
Those of my countrymen who only source their news from the commercial networks are largely only getting pro-USA and pro-UK and pro-government slants on the news as Rupert Murdoc owns a large part of our commercial news networks and his is a rabid Americanophile.

You say that like it is a bad thing?
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nztrekkie
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somerled
Nov 25 2003, 10:46 AM


I make an effort to source my news from a wide range of sources - including overseas sources as I think it is important to inform yourself (something my pop and my dad instilled in me when I was growing up) and I naturally curious and have an inquiring mind anyway.

Those of my countrymen who only source their news from the commercial networks are largely only getting pro-USA and pro-UK and pro-government slants on the news as Rupert Murdoc owns a large part of our commercial news networks and his is a rabid Americanophile.

Wise men your dad and grand dad Somerled.

Most days I look over "american" news sites (including always the Washington Times as recommended by bill) but occasionally catch up with "neutral" sites, like the Asiatimes.com - news from an asian perspective. Also the BBC and NY Times and our own news. Everyone has their own agenda, so it is vital to source information from a WIDE variety of sources, including the ones your "adversaries" might frequent.

BUT, my final perspective on Iraq, like anything else, comes down to my OWN common sense and judgement.

As I have said, no one really knows what is going to happen in Iraq - we can only sit back and watch it all unfold.

BTW - this "progress" in opening schools and hospitals, oil pipelines, etc in Iraq. Presumably, these are the same installations and facilities which were operating perfectly well before having the crap bombed out of them by coalition bombs. They're the same facilities which offered free health care and free education to the Iraqi people before this invasion.

So what if these facilities are now being "restored" (to the way they were anyway) ? Does this count as "progress" or are there other things not being reported down here ???
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nztrekkie
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Admiralbill_gomec
Nov 25 2003, 10:57 AM
somerled
Nov 25 2003, 10:46 AM
Those of my countrymen who only source their news from the commercial networks are largely only getting pro-USA and pro-UK and pro-government slants on the news as Rupert Murdoc owns a large part of our commercial news networks and his is a rabid Americanophile.

You say that like it is a bad thing?

well, duh.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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nztrekkie
Nov 25 2003, 04:31 PM



BTW - this "progress" in opening schools and hospitals, oil pipelines, etc in Iraq. Presumably, these are the same installations and facilities which were operating perfectly well before having the crap bombed out of them by coalition bombs. They're the same facilities which offered free health care and free education to the Iraqi people before this invasion.

So what if these facilities are now being "restored" (to the way they were anyway) ? Does this count as "progress" or are there other things not being reported down here ???

Free health care? Free education? Compared to what? Doof...

I guess you didn't know (of course you didn't know... what am I saying), but Saddam hasn't spent much on infrastructure since he's been so busy building PALACES and WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION. The power grid was in a shambles BEFORE the war, as were the state of schools, hospitals, and refineries. Our weaponry was quite selective, more so than you could even imagine.
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