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Archer question
Topic Started: Nov 23 2003, 06:54 PM (445 Views)
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I know there was no previous reference to the Enterprise in any of the other series, but was there ever a refrence to Archer designing the warp engines, and his son taking the first deep space mission?
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Not that I am aware of, howver in Nemesis they show a chart of a bunch of ships and one is named the USS Archer.
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Nov 23 2003, 07:06 PM
Not that I am aware of, howver in Nemesis they show a chart of a bunch of ships and one is named the USS Archer.

I remember that, but I do think that Archer was completely made up. I cant think of any either.
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No, 8247 there was never any mention of anyone named Archer playing a part in early warp engine design prior to Enterprise. I am very confident in this (now, watch someone show up with a link to prove me wrong :wow: ).

I will say that it makes sense that someone would come along after Cochrane and improve on his design. After all if things like that never happened we would be relying on variations of the Wright Flyer for air transport...
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Nov 23 2003, 07:11 PM
Minuet
Nov 23 2003, 07:06 PM
Not that I am aware of, howver in Nemesis they show a chart of a bunch of ships and one is named the USS Archer.

I remember that, but I do think that Archer was completely made up. I cant think of any either.

Of course Archer was made up. All Star Trek charachters are silly!!! :lol: :blush:

Seriously though, Nemesis came out after Enterprise came on air. It was a thinly veiled attempt to insert Enterprise into the 24th century after the fact.
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In fact no one was never mentioned that helpt in the founding. Who designed the warp five engine, no mention who even invented the warp 9 engine. So Archer could've been part of history of that future. You don't give every detail of everything that happened and the pain in the ass thing about a ship named Enterprise is worse. In Relics the computer said six ships, yet we have two air craft carriers, one space craft called Enterprise and the computer didn't say anything about those vessels. So there could've been a Captain Archer, a Enterprise. But it was never mentioned cause they didn't need to. The only referance was in TNG when a planet called Archer V was mentioned.
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Minuet
Nov 23 2003, 07:16 PM

I remember that, but I do think that Archer was completely made up. I cant think of any either.

Of course Archer was made up. All Star Trek charachters are silly!!! :lol: :blush:

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You know what I meant. smarty :realmad: :blink: :unsure: :P
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Nov 23 2003, 06:20 PM
In Relics the computer said six ships, yet we have two air craft carriers, one space craft called Enterprise and the computer didn't say anything about those vessels. So there could've been a Captain Archer, a Enterprise.

I wonder if, in "Relics," they were referring to ships named Enterprise only after the founding of the Federation (which hasn't happened yet in the [/I]Enterprise series.

Now, how a computer would know to only give the information for after the founding of the Federation is beyond me, but it's the closest thing I can think of in order to make that inconsistency make sense in the Star Trek universe.
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TribbleMom,

Your explanation makes sense to me. I often wonder about what the computer has and does not have in its databanks. We do know that much 'history' was left out after Khan et al. became 'supermen.' But I can only go so far using that excuse too many times! :)
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Nov 24 2003, 06:01 PM
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Nov 23 2003, 06:20 PM
In Relics the computer said six ships, yet we have two air craft carriers, one space craft called Enterprise and the computer didn't say anything about those vessels. So there could've been a Captain Archer, a Enterprise.

I wonder if, in "Relics," they were referring to ships named Enterprise only after the founding of the Federation (which hasn't happened yet in the [/I]Enterprise series.

Now, how a computer would know to only give the information for after the founding of the Federation is beyond me, but it's the closest thing I can think of in order to make that inconsistency make sense in the Star Trek universe.

Its like for another example. Tribblemom do you ever remember any referance to Geordi making a joke during the Farpoint mission? "The Clown can stay, but the Ferengi and the gerallia suit has to go". In Generations Data tells us that. Yet in Encounter at Farpoint we never heard it. I reckon it under a security code, seeming its part of history as the first warp five vessel. Scotty told the computer "show the bridge of the Enterprise". The computer may only give the recent that belong to the Federation.
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Nov 24 2003, 05:01 PM
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Nov 23 2003, 06:20 PM
In Relics the computer said six ships, yet we have two air craft carriers, one space craft called Enterprise and the computer didn't say anything about those vessels. So there could've been a Captain Archer, a Enterprise.

I wonder if, in "Relics," they were referring to ships named Enterprise only after the founding of the Federation (which hasn't happened yet in the [/I]Enterprise series.

Now, how a computer would know to only give the information for after the founding of the Federation is beyond me, but it's the closest thing I can think of in order to make that inconsistency make sense in the Star Trek universe.

I want to know how the computer knew which NCC-1701 bridge to give Scotty since there were at least four, Pike's, TOS, ST:TMP and ST:TWOK.

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Nov 24 2003, 07:58 PM

I want to know how the computer knew which NCC-1701 bridge to give Scotty since there were at least four, Pike's, TOS, ST:TMP and ST:TWOK.

Those 4 were the same ship. I guess it went to the first recorded design of the bridge.
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But the bridge changed significantly between Pike's Enterprise and the one in ST:TWOK.

Scotty should have said, "Computer... ohhhh computer? (Sorry, ST:IV reference) Show me the bridge of the USS Enterprise, circa 2267 (or circa Stardate 3850)!"

I know the "No bloody "A" "B" or "C" was cute, but it didn't mean a whole lot. It was done simply for the effect. For example, in ST:VI, the scene where the entire bridge crew is looking through Klingon-English dictionaries to translate, "Nuta gross, reehn?" They could have had a translator display the words in English, ask for the proper translation on screen, open the channel and say "Rura Penthe-la." But this looked better.
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I think that the computer in Relics was referring to the post Federation Enterprise's. Mainly because they are USS, while this one is NX, because there is no Federation, and this is an experimental craft.
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What a dog Archer has - such a clean animal - never leaves doggy does all over the place - or do let the dog out for run at every other planet ? :blink:
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