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| Does Bush drink ? | |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Nov 18 2003, 02:00 PM Post #16 |
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The person has to have the same WHOLE name. For example, John James Smith has a son named John Edward Smith. The son is not designated as a "junior." If the father had no middle name and the son carried the same name, then the son would be a junior, just as if Bush 43 had the exact same name as Bush 41, he'd be a junior. I hope that clears things up a bit. |
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| nztrekkie | Nov 18 2003, 03:36 PM Post #17 |
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Bloody hell - what alot of fuss about ...........? My question had two dimensions - 1) I was under the impression that Bush was a heavy drinker, bordering on "drinking problem" in the past - it may have even been himself who said so in a TV program following him for a day or something like that I saw some time ago. So I wanted to know does he still drink minor amounts or does he abstain completely now ? 2) and yes, if he still drank today, in light of his foreign policy direction, it would be a concern to me. As far as I am aware, none of the other leaders Witchita mentioned were / are heavy drinkers, but then again the only one i could be sure of was our own PM. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Nov 18 2003, 05:58 PM Post #18 |
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No it didn't. It was a simple, "I'll bet this guy drinks and that's why I think he makes bad decisions" question. It is a well-known fact that Bush is a teetotaler. If you didn't know, you WOULD NOT HAVE ASKED. (Nota bene: Howard Dean does not drink either, for the same reason.) This post ranks up there with the "When did you stop beating your wife" type of post. |
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| ImpulseEngine | Nov 18 2003, 06:11 PM Post #19 |
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Thanks AdmiralBill. ** Crawls back under rock ** |
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| Wichita | Nov 18 2003, 07:12 PM Post #20 |
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I think that your question has been asked and answered, NZTrekkie. George W. Bush has abstained from alcohol completely for over 15 years. As a child of an alcoholic who abstained for about the last 30 years of his life (after nearly 40 years as a heavy drinker), I have seen the info on "return to health" for someone who has given up drinking. Given the President's physical health, there's no reason to think he's not had, at least, the average recovery if not much better. All my Dad's worst markers were back in line in under 7 years and he was almost 65 when he gave it up. And yes, at least 2 of the people on the list have had the reputation for heavy drinking in the past ... |
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| nztrekkie | Nov 18 2003, 08:25 PM Post #21 |
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well thank you for a civil - and informative - answer. but now I have just one more question, seeing as you mentioned the A word......was Bush ever an alcoholic, either self admitted or by others ? |
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| somerled | Nov 18 2003, 08:54 PM Post #22 |
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MBA's are a diime a dollar. (2 years parttime , attend a few lectures per week , learn a bit of accountancy , do a few assignments and sit a few exams and you get a piece of paper.) I know plenty .... some are real dills. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Nov 18 2003, 09:12 PM Post #23 |
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Funny, I'm going for my MBA now, and it is a little more involved than that... |
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| ANOVA | Nov 18 2003, 09:16 PM Post #24 |
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If this were true everyone who wanted one would have one. I personnally think MBAs are overrated due to that fact that Japanese unversities don't even offer business degrees. Yet, this fact does not make the degree either easy to obtain or useless.
Anecdotal evidence that some dills can get master level degrees? It does nothing to support your claim that it is easy. A given level of education does not guarentee that the student has an ounce of common sense nor does it guarentee the technical ability to apply their knowledge. |
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| Wichita | Nov 18 2003, 09:29 PM Post #25 |
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You know that "alcoholic" is a relative term, don't you? I ask because it has bearing on the answer to your question. I am the child of an alcoholic who was himself the child of an alcoholic. (The family history gets a bit muddied after that.) My grandfather was out-of-control at any level of consumption. My father, who drank heavily, never missed a day of work or a paycheck due to drinking. After drinking socially for a couple of years, I stopped cold turkey because I saw more of my grandfather than my Dad in me. Three of siblings are the same way - one is too many. Two sisters can have an occasional drink with no ill effect. The point being that the level of consumption that can be handled varies with the individual. One person can become an alcoholic with one drink while another can have a considerably higher tolerance. The knack is knowing when you have reached the "too much" level. My understanding is George Bush (and Howard Dean as Bill pointed out) recognized they had reached the "too much" level and stopped. I applaud both of them for having done so. Whether they met some "clinical defintion" of alcoholism, I have no idea and am not sure its important. What's important is they recognized the limitation and took the steps they needed to take. |
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| ANOVA | Nov 18 2003, 09:37 PM Post #26 |
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Thank you Rose, Behavior as a part of self will. Self knowledge as the basis for self control. If I give you my fathers e-mail do you think you could spell it out for him? I gave up some time ago. ANOVA |
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| somerled | Nov 19 2003, 03:40 AM Post #27 |
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I know what is involved in obtaining an MBA - I investigated taking an MBA course a few years ago and knew several people - some were friends who were currently engaged in studies for MBAs. A bit of economics, a bit of psychology, a bit of accountancy and a few other odds and sods is all an MBA is. 2 semesters fulltime, 3 to 6 semesters parttime. The local university offers a Bachelor of Business , MBAs and higher post-grad credentials in business studies. (There is an undergraduate subject at the local university in business - a second year subject - that has an extra-ordinarily high failure rate for an arts subject - 90% failure rate most years.) |
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| Wichita | Nov 19 2003, 08:15 AM Post #28 |
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Been there, Anova. My Dad stopped drinking, but I don't know if he ever figured it out. Fortunately he had a health crisis - emergency ulcer surgery - just after I graduated from high school. Two small town doctors had a "tough" conversation with him that they probably never tried today out of fear of a malpractice suit. My mother followed it up with pointing out that, with the last child out of high school, she didn't have a whole lot of reason to stay. The week in the hospital helped to detox him. Plain and simple, we got lucky. Without the medical emergency to get his attention (and it took A LOT to get his attention then), he probably would have never realized, at least, that others though he was NOT "handling it". |
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| Hoss | Nov 19 2003, 08:56 AM Post #29 |
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Cool, I have a few dimes, I think that I'll rush out and get one. :lol:
The Japanese are in a perpetual slump (15 years and running) and it is mostly due to business scandals and poor business practices. I wouldn't hold up the Japanese as some sort of paragon of reasoning on this issue. :lol: |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Nov 19 2003, 10:04 AM Post #30 |
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Somerled, it sounds like the requirements are different in Australia than in the USA. Here in the US, an MBA is a minimum of 48 semester hours, which is nearly four semesters full-time, not part time. In addition, our MBA programs are increasingly specialized. My Dad got an MBA from NYU back in the early 60s... his program was 54 hours (18 classes), but they only had a single program. Today, my MBA program offers the degree in nine different areas (I'm at University of Houston, not New York University). Mine is in Management. My core curriculum consists of the following classes: Financial Accounting, Managerial Analysis, Managerial Finance, Statistical Methods, Organizational Behavior, Marketing Administration, Operations Management, Information Systems, and Strategic Management. In addition you need to take 21 hours (seven classes) in the following areas: Accounting, Finance, General or International Business, Management, Information Systems, Marketing, Operations Management, or Taxation. So, I wouldn't call this "a bit of economics, a bit of psychology, and a bit of accountancy." |
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but now I have just one more question, seeing as you mentioned the A word......was Bush ever an alcoholic, either self admitted or by others ?

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