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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 14 2003, 06:13 PM (703 Views) | |
| ds9074 | Nov 14 2003, 06:13 PM Post #1 |
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Why the hell did we invite this moron to visit? Expecially for an official state visit with all the pomp and circumstance we 'do so well', it will be quite a show the mall is already lined with alternate stars and strips/union flags. Neither Reagan or Clinton warrented this treatment. How much is this bloody trip costing the British taxpayer to start with, 5000 police are going to be on streets. A state banquet in Buckingham Palace. Tea and cakes at Downing Street. Can I suggest a change in intinery, take Bush (and Blair) and put them in the cells at the TOWER OF LONDON to reside THERE at Her Majesty's pleasure. Still there is a MASSIVE protest planned and and effigy of Bush is going to be hoisted up and toppled in Traflgar square (Bagdad style). :lol: |
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| Hoss | Nov 14 2003, 06:32 PM Post #2 |
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Since I am assuming this was 'tongue-in-cheek' I would ask how the cost compares with what you pay to keep the royals well sheltered and fed and hoping about the world? :lol: I think we expect that there is a certain amount of pomp-and-circumstance that goes with being a head of state. Unless your name is Fidel or Kim Il Sung. :lol: |
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| Dandandat | Nov 14 2003, 06:43 PM Post #3 |
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I would guess enough people are interested in it or it wouldn’t happen. Unless I am wrong and England is run by a dictator ship and not the people. yes how fun, Lets over dramatize the situation by wrongly portraying our close allies leader as Saddam Husain when our own leader is just as guilty. How hypocritical can we be? But hey blaming America works for every one else we brits should do it as well. We should after all follow suit with our European masters. I have one question though. Have there been public protest in America where we did things to effigies of other countries political leaders? Its nice to see you again ds9074 how is everything going. |
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| ds9074 | Nov 14 2003, 07:05 PM Post #4 |
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I believe Britain was once described as an elected dictatorship, a democracy on election day only. Given the extreme power of the executive (much greater than in the USA) its can be a fairly accurate description. I can tell you now, most people either a) dont want Bush here or b ) have no interest. This is something which our Prime Minister - 'just did'. The reason for my anti-Bush views are this. Britain goes out a limb, commits a 1/3 of the British army, humiliates itself at the UN in in diplomatic efforts, our leaders stoop to promoting false information, the Treasury forks out £bn's. All that basically to support our friend the US in its foreign policy. At the same time British foreign policy is actually hindered by America over Kyoto, Steel, European Defense etc etc etc. It seems like a one-way street. We dont seem to get anything in return. Bush's visit feels like the CEO of the big parent company coming to visit its susbidiary. At LOT, in fact the VAST MAJORITY, of British people are starting to feel put out by this relationship. WE ARE A SOVERIEGN INDEPENDENT STATE! (Perhaps we need a declaration of independence from America :rolleyes: )Thanks I am home for the weekend! |
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| Cool Vulcan | Nov 14 2003, 07:09 PM Post #5 |
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So every member member of Sister Trek who was born under the flag of the US are morons? So DS9 where you there I guess helping pulling the rope. I also think this is an excuse to troll. Mr Blair is more than welcome to visit our country, we have him in open arms. Why can't you do the same for our leader? I never got to see Mr Bush, he wasn't were I live. I'd be glade to meet the President or Tony Blair. Tony Blair seems to be a firm man for a liberal I swear he is bretending to be a liberal. What are you taking about about? We are largest power in the westren world, the thrird largest country. We in fact are the ones holding the emonomics together for the world. |
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| Hoss | Nov 14 2003, 07:13 PM Post #6 |
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Yeah, I mean when are you guys gonna finally start reaping some rewards for doing all this stuff for the USA for all these decades. It is about time, I mean geeze, you sacrificed all those airbases so we could fly the more dangerous day missions over Germany in WWII, and for what appreciation, all we did was use your crappers and drink in your pubs. You let us spend the lion's share of the money on defending Europe (NATO) from the Ruskies and we haven't shown one bit of appreciating you for that. You let us bail you out of the middle east and have we even sent you a card, no. You let the US give tons of foriegn aid, forgive everybodies debt, finance the friggin' UN, run a huge trade deficit with you, secure the world's oil supply through bribery, and we don't even bother to thank you. Geeze, you ought to just break off all diplomatic relations with us. [I can exagerate and make wild unsubstatiated claims as well ]
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| Hoss | Nov 14 2003, 07:16 PM Post #7 |
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And we bend over bass-ackwards when your Queen visits the USA and she just afigure head isn't she. She don't stay at the Motel 6, that's for sure. |
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| ds9074 | Nov 14 2003, 07:18 PM Post #8 |
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First, Blair is no liberal. Secondly this argument that because you dont like the current American admin/President you are suddenly totally anti-America is s**t. It really is. Third due to the economic dominance of the USA its very difficult for a country to turn to America and tell them that they are WRONG. If Britain had taken an anti-war line the so called 'special relationship' would have gone out the window. Take the Suez crisis of the 50's (still haunts Britain). Britain, France and Israel attempt to sucure their national interests over the Suez Cannal. The American government sold Pounds Stirling until we HAD to back down or see our economy collapse. Thats what I mean by economic power. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Nov 14 2003, 07:21 PM Post #9 |
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Um, you realize that the Suez crisis was 47 years ago, right? What makes you think we'd react in the same way today? By the way, yes Tony Blair is a liberal. The "third way" is nothing more than what economists call "free market socialism". By the way, the "moron" you allude to at the start of this thread has a Harvard MBA. Try not to let your opinion cloud the truth. |
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| Hoss | Nov 14 2003, 07:23 PM Post #10 |
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Secure your national interests on Egyptian soil. :lol: It was a blatant attempt to try to save a portion of a failing empire by the French and British and steal a lot of canal revenue from Egypt in the deal. It allowed Israel to take the mantle of being attacked by the Arabs and fighting for its life. I am no fan of 1950s Egypt, but c'mon. The British and French Empire were falling apart and this was a desparate attempt to dominate some of the world. You got us back though as you gave US (and Israel) little diplomatic help in 1967 or 1973. It's your problem now Yanks, you handle it while we sit here and take the moral high ground and pretend we have no part in these middle eastern wars of aggression. |
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| ds9074 | Nov 14 2003, 07:24 PM Post #11 |
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Yes thanks for all that help in 1940 when Hitler's army was ready with invasion plans on the coast of France. We could trade statements like this but lets not. In the past we HAVE seen the benefits of America's help, but 99% of the time ONLY when America's OWN interests were at stake. WW2 (after Pearl Harbour), Cold War etc. The other 1% of the time the help has been limited and gruding at best (Kosovo, Falklands) |
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| Hoss | Nov 14 2003, 07:27 PM Post #12 |
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Whose interests do the British government primarily look out for? The Sri Lankans? Come on, our interest are the same almost all of the time. That is why we're such close allies, despite what you might be led to believe by reading the Politics and World Events forum on Sistertrek I vote for the President to look out for the interests of the USA before the interests of others. That is his job. |
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| ds9074 | Nov 14 2003, 07:28 PM Post #13 |
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Can I just say Blair is NOT, I repeat NOT a Liberal. His party is from socialist roots (nanny state) and he is actually quite right-wing on many policies (aslylum, crime, ID cards). It certainly wasnt in the political interests of the British Government to support the Iraq war. It was debatable whether it was in the national interest. Why did they do it - because they felt duty bound I guess. I just dont feel the same would be true the other way around. Can you really see a US President putting his career and his parties electoral chances on the line and committing 1/3 of the US army if Britain asked? |
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| Dandandat | Nov 14 2003, 07:32 PM Post #14 |
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its not that you don’t like the current American admin/President that is bothering me - its that you think its ok too do things to some ones effigy that bothers me. |
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| Cool Vulcan | Nov 14 2003, 07:32 PM Post #15 |
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It sounds anti-American to me. First the encomeny is situated in Manhatten, New York and is the main part of the money and stock markets. If you look at the lising for huge chains you will see the likes of B&Q, Sainsburys, Tesco in the listings and others. The three I meantioned are not in North America, its Europe. Second who do you gave you the guns even though it was against our countries Consitution. Blair is a liberal I was joking about him in pretending to be one. How long did the Britsh Empire last? One day, our country ideals and ideas have lasts over two hundred years. I am sorry for the great :rolleyes: UN and its deial and conrolling nature to to tell a counrty what to do. America is independent, if Bush wanted to tommorrow deport all the Ambassodors and take our land back. Back to the anti-American, stuff you call a President a moron yet just say it was Democrat running our country would you say hes great? Just say it happened during the other canidtes adminatration. Why do I have this feeling that World War Three going to break out here? |
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