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| jjtrek | Nov 13 2003, 11:22 AM Post #16 |
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Admiral, my experience tells me otherwise. I have known many people who are the head of their households (single young women with one or more children) who are unskilled and are forced to take minimum wage jobs to "attempt" to support their families. Not all people in minimum wage or "training" jobs are teenagers without dependents. Those are the minimum wage workers I have been referring to. Julia |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Nov 13 2003, 11:45 AM Post #17 |
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But Julia, why should a business owner be obligated to pay people more money for an unskilled position. While my heart goes out to them, should I be obligated? What have I done about this (because, as a conservative I believe that everyone deserves the same opportunity)? I have volunteered my time to help my church teach English to some of our members. The problem is, some of our new members speak Spanish, Chinese, and Polish... my bad Russian and almost-as-bad Spanish has helped. I've also donated to programs that teach skills like the Healthy Families Houston program and One Young Parent. I believe that it is the community that must help those less fortunate, not the federal government. Raising the minimum wage only makes the unskilled LESS employable (I explained this "economically" at the top of this thread). |
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| ANOVA | Nov 13 2003, 11:48 AM Post #18 |
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So very very wrong. Your idea would put people out of work. Minimum wage increases, increase the unemployment level among black males. (Sowell) As the state increases the wage above the value of the job to be done, the chances are that an exsisting worker will find his/her workload increased as companies contract their workforce. The State has no authority to place a floor on wages. THose that seek minimum wage jobs, are usully entry level employees, that should not ywt need a "living wage" (i.e. minors) or persons lacking basic job skills and cannot get promoted. Sowell, Thomas. The Vision of the Anointed: Self-Congratulation as a basis for Social Policy. Minimum Wage p126-128,257. ANOVA |
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| Hoss | Nov 13 2003, 11:53 AM Post #19 |
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I love to read Sowell. I have some of his books. There are attempts to discredit him because he is a black conservative and he makes sense. The NAACP does not like this and call him 'uncle-Tom' |
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| captain_proton_au | Nov 13 2003, 12:21 PM Post #20 |
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What planet are you from? I agreed with most of the remainder of your post, but this little chestnut stuck out like a sore thumb!?! Youve never seen an older person in a minimum wage job?, and of the ones you see,do you think all of them are at 'entry level'?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? |
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| Hoss | Nov 13 2003, 12:36 PM Post #21 |
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I think if an older person (older than teen or college age students) is in a minimum wage paying job, it is generally because he failed to take steps to improve his situation in life. I think even the dumbest people can improve theirselves out of the McJobs. I have retarded cousin who can only get the lowest work, but he also qualifies for disability. In addition he gets some help from his family. There is no real crisis in America of mimimum wage workers starving to death. If you raised minimum wage to $10/hour, the living wage would go up to $20/hour and if you raise minimum wage to $20/hour the living wage would go up to $40/hour and if you made minimum wage $1,000,000/hour, etc. It just doesn't work, it is another way government can stifle productivity and the economy and make things bad for everyone. The theory of lowering everyone to the same level of misery also known as socialism. |
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| ANOVA | Nov 13 2003, 12:39 PM Post #22 |
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Of course not. I included two groups the tend towards minimum wage jobs. Entry level and those with little or no job skills. It was not meant to be an exhuastive list, but was meant to illustrate the two main groups. These skills believe it or not include such things as proper dress, proper hygiene, getting to wark on time, and not leaving early. I forget the source for this, but the basic cuases were, lack of role models with prpoer job skills and some cultural problems from some immagrant groups. The latter is usually due to the cultural differences in the concepts of time and hygiene. ANOVA BTW last time I checked I was from the third planet from the sun, but I've been wrong before. |
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| Dandandat | Nov 13 2003, 12:40 PM Post #23 |
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While this story of a single mother is sad I have two ways of thinking about it. one) why is she a single mother supporting kids on her own? more then 1/2 the time this is because of pore choices made by this woman, a so 1/2 the time I really couldn’t care less for her and her problems. But there is the other 1/2 that got into the situation through no real fault of their own and to that I say... two) Why do people expect to fix things over night? Where you see a woman who is just BARLEY getting by, I see a woman who is just barley GETTING BY. Through some hard work on her part and on the part of her children this family has a good opportunity to make something of them selves. All that is needed is time, time for her to raise her kids in the small apartment or room she can barley afford (as long as there is love in a family it doesn’t matter where you live). When her kids are old enough they to can get part time jobs while going to school which will bring more income into the family. When the kids get even older they can get governmental assistance or governmental loans to go to college, graduate and become skilled workers making above the minimum wage and then help support their dear mother for all the hard work she has done. If it still not practical for the children to go to college they can get full time jobs and bring even more money into the family, when it comes time for them to have kids and they keep up the hard work, they may be able to send their kids to college, and they in turn should be help by their children. People want things now - and don’t want to look toward the future. They say "since working hard wont help me, I want even try". They fail to realize that though working hard might not benefit them directly, it will insure that their children and grandchildren wont have to go though what they had to and when the time comes their children and grandchildren will be more then happy to take care of them. |
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| captain_proton_au | Nov 13 2003, 01:38 PM Post #24 |
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Now thats got to be trolling
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| Dandandat | Nov 13 2003, 01:49 PM Post #25 |
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Excuse me? |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Nov 13 2003, 05:24 PM Post #26 |
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No, that would be his opinion. Please read the entire paragraph. |
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| ANOVA | Nov 13 2003, 06:15 PM Post #27 |
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Just goe to prove that the NAACP is a liberal organisation not one that promotes success of all Black individuals. ANOVA |
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| Hoss | Nov 13 2003, 06:17 PM Post #28 |
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I quite agree with you on this. They seem to be primarily a liberal political interest group and this has caused them to be dubbed with the nickname NAALCP (National Association for the Advancement of Liberal Colored People) :lol: |
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| ds9074 | Nov 14 2003, 06:00 PM Post #29 |
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The minimum wage has worked out well in Britain by most accounts. Its one of the very best achievements of Blairs Labour Government. The Conservatives said thousands of jobs would be lost - but they werent. Neither was inflation pushed up. What happened was that the living standards of the poorest were raised. Some say its too high, some say its too low but I think its about right (£4.50 p/h) |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Nov 14 2003, 07:18 PM Post #30 |
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Do you have any data to support this? I suppose I could go look, but I'm quite worn down today. |
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