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| Hoss | Nov 12 2003, 06:01 PM Post #16 |
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So, do you think that iguannas that have habitually bad eating habits should be allowed to have abortions, and if so does this mean that they go to hell when they die for aborting their eggs. This may have been covered in a documentary I saw listed in TV Guide last month. What do you think? |
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| captain_proton_au | Nov 13 2003, 12:02 PM Post #17 |
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LOL - exactly! |
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| jjtrek | Nov 18 2003, 11:21 AM Post #18 |
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ROTF!!!! Considering the natural habitat of an iguana, I wonder just what an iguana hell would look like. And would the iguana even notice the difference. :lol: Julia |
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| jjtrek | Nov 18 2003, 11:46 AM Post #19 |
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To respond to Wichita's concerns, writers of science fiction as well as in the scientific community have been largely male (females are encroaching, but at a very slow rate) for decades. I think this is due to girls not being encouraged to study math and the sciences in school. I see alot of this where I am, here in Erie. There have been female sci-fi writers since the 1930's or so, but for the most part, they had to take on male pen names. If you've ever seen anything written by "James Tiptree, Jr.", that's really a woman. Andre Norton is a woman too. It's only in the late 50's and into the 60's that some women began writing under their real names. Ursula K. LeQuin and Octavia Butler for two examples. My love for science fiction is so intense, that I've actually studied the history of that literary genre. Julia |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Nov 18 2003, 02:03 PM Post #20 |
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But do you differentiate between "science fiction" and "fantasy" in your study? |
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| Hoss | Nov 18 2003, 06:31 PM Post #21 |
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Warning serious tangent alert!!! I have read women authors of sci-fi and I am going to get into trouble for saying this but what the heck. The women authors seemed to either seemed to have chip on their shoulder about women's place in the grand scheme or the books were to sappy for my taste. I like sci-fi for the 'sci' part just as much as for the 'fi' part. I just don't want to see Fabio on the cover. I am sure that these classifications to not fit all female sci-fi authors, but it is my limited experience and it makes me shy away from trying a new female author. I guess they can do an end-run around that by choosing a male psuedo-nym though. :lol: |
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| Wichita | Nov 18 2003, 09:58 PM Post #22 |
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^^^ I don't know how many of the Star Trek - related books you have read, but many of the best are by women authors. |
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| Hoss | Nov 19 2003, 08:47 AM Post #23 |
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Oh, I haven't read many Star Trek books at all. I was talking about sci-fi in general. It kind of bugs me to read Star Trek books because none of it really happened I guess with respect to the movies and series and it bugs me to not be able to resolve everything in the same Star Trek universe. And that is a hard enough task with just the movies and series alone.
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| TribbleMom | Nov 19 2003, 01:19 PM Post #24 |
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Jeri Taylor really did an excellent job with "Mosaic" and "Pathways," but I suppose if you're not a Voyager fan, you're not likely to pick those up. Some good female authors of Trek novels are Margaret Wander Bonanno, Diane Duane, A.C. Crispin, J.M Dillard (who has also done the novelizations for the TNG movies, among numerous other Trek works), Susan Wright, Diane Carey, Josepha Sherman & Susan Shwartz (they seem to focus on the Vulcans), Vonda McIntyre, L.A. Graf (pen name for Julia Ecklar and Karen Rose Cercone), Christie Golden, and Melissa Scott. All these women have authored several books on my bookshelves, and there seem to be a number of other females there (with one or two books to their credit) as well. But overall, in sci-fi in general, it still seems to be a male-dominated field. I think Jjtrek hit the nail on the head when she said that girls seem less encouraged or less inclined to study the sciences than boys are in school. Isaac Asimov has said (in a taped interview with Gene Roddenberry, no less) that to write science fiction well, you must have a good understanding of science and technology or else your story will seem totally implausible. Even if you intend to break the laws of physics in your writing, you still have to know what the laws are in order to come up with an explanation that seems plausible, or else your ignorance of science will show through in the writing. Even in fiction, you must "respect" the science, Asimov stated. Maybe that's why there seem to be fewer female science fiction fans than male sci-fi fans, too. Also, Jjtrek indicated that female authors sometimes write under a male pseudonym. Reminds me a lot of the DS9 episode "Far Beyond the Stars" where Benny had to hide the fact of his race in order to be considered a credible author. |
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| jjtrek | Nov 19 2003, 02:50 PM Post #25 |
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Precisely, Tribblemom! Back in the 1930's or even earlier, women sci-fi writers (or actually any genre that wasn't seen as "female" oriented) not only took on male names, but entered Editor's offices under false pretenses; pretending they were the "secretaries" of very ellusive male authors. They would hand in the manuscripts and receive payment for them in cash. This lent credence to the "ellusiveness" of the original writer of the work. All business went through the "trusted assistant". By the way, the reason Octavia Butler is such a writer's heroine in my book is the fact that she is African-American too. In the 1960's, her battle was on two fronts! Considering how much times have changed, this scenario is almost laughable. Admiral, I tend to look at Science-Fiction in this but there have been exceptions that have been, IMO, exceptional. Writer Anne McCaffrey is one that comes to mind. If you read most of her Pern series, you'll find it's a nice mixture of fantasy AND sci-fi. Very interesting series and a wonderful writer. I have always pushed, to whomever would listen, that girls should be included in any program that teaches math and the sciences. I was lucky in that my mom was a VERY forward thinking woman (and a sci-fi fan herself) who was a self-taught naturalist. From the time I was a child, she took me on nature walks through empty lots and beach areas in the winter and we explored many different aspects of the natural world. My very first "pets" were the fuzzy caterpillars that butterflies come from. Julia |
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| Fesarius | Nov 19 2003, 03:04 PM Post #26 |
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Thankfully, my daughters have a first-rate math teacher--their mama. She was bored by calculus in High School--because for her, it was too easy. Of course, it probably didn't hurt her having a chemistry teacher for a father.
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| Wichita | Nov 21 2003, 07:38 AM Post #27 |
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,103716,00.html I'm not sure where this thread went in the meantime , but here - finally - is a link to the original information.
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| Starboundgurl | Nov 21 2003, 06:08 PM Post #28 |
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Well... The 18-23's watch MTV and VH-1........... As for that they surf the net 2x more....
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Nov 21 2003, 08:17 PM Post #29 |
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Diane Duane rocks! Her Rihannsu stories are excellent! Tribblemom, you reminded me of something... back in the 50s, country singer Charley Pride didn't show his face on his first two album covers because record executives didn't think country fans were ready for a "colored" country singer. |
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| ANOVA | Nov 21 2003, 09:58 PM Post #30 |
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That brings back some memories. Charley Pride is the only country singer I've ever seen perform (McCormick Center, Chicago) I was too young to know there was anything special about a black country singer. I don't get into the sci-fi reading like I once did. Hielien and Asimov were my High school heros. I grew up wanting to develope the posi tronic brain. Used to read the Hugo Award short stories and nevered bothered to look at who wrote them. So......B&Bs target audience watch MTV and surf the net.? Better find a new target. ANOVA |
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) or do they just not have a clue so they avoid trying to write well for the women?

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