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| Twilight - Official Review Thread; ***Spoilers*** | |
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| gdog243 | Nov 10 2003, 01:30 AM Post #46 |
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Rear Admiral
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B+ I watched this episode on wednesday, but I wasn't really paying much attention to it, so I made sure to catch it tonight to see if my unsure reaction had changed. Fortunatly, it did because this is a great episode. Sure there were some missgivings I had, but on a whole story it wasn't that bad. I liked that there was some emotion from the characters this week, mainly from every scene with Archer and T'pol. I also loved the choice (And the continuity) of Ceti Alpha 5. Nice nod to "Star Trek" there. Also, it was nice to actually feel sorry for archer. For example all the scenes that had to do with people reminding archer about what he already said a few weeks ago. Finally, the scene at the end with the Xindi attacking the Enterprise had a very "Yesterday's Enterprise" feel to it which was welcome. The sacrifices these people made to save Archer and the timeline were very trekkien. While the episode was good, there were 2 things that really made me angry. The first was the lack of aknowledgement to Mayweather. Maybe I'm the only one who is trying to like Mayweather, but what the writers are doing is pissing me off. Either give him a good story, or kill him off. I perfer the former. Heck the scene when archer returns to enterprise would have been a good "Where is Mayweather" scene. Secondly, watching the Xindi just annihalate humanity pissed me off agian, mainly because we don't know WHY they want humanity distroyed. The first explination was dead in the premiere, so what are the Xindi's motives and why are they targeting humanity? Its one thing to be a villan with motives (Such as the dominion) but its another to just attack with no purpose. Overall, second best episode of the season. First is Anomaly. |
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| Swidden | Nov 10 2003, 03:13 PM Post #47 |
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Adm. Gadfly-at-large; Provisional wRench-fly at large
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I don't agree with the idea of killing off Mayweather. I do agree with the idea that if he is not developed much and soon, he should be written out of the show. I realize that while they are in the Expanse it would be hard, but create a scenario to send him back to his family's cargo ship and let him help out with the familiy business. That way he can at least be brought back if the writers ever do figure out what it is they would like to do with him. |
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| 24thcenstfan | Nov 10 2003, 08:22 PM Post #48 |
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Something Wicked This Fae Comes
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Can I just begin by saying FREAKIN ARGGGGGGGGGG! I missed the last few minutes AGAIN! My local UPN has pushed the Saturday night repeat back 30 minutes (more like 35 minutes) and my VCR didn’t tape the last 5 minutes of the show. I guess if I want to make sure it gets the entire show next Saturday, I had better set the darn thing to start taping 1 hour before and end 1 hour after. :rolleyes: Anyway, I don’t know what I was on last Wednesday (I think sometimes I have a hard time sitting down and watching Enterprise uninterrupted), but I apparently missed quite a lot of the episode when I watched last week. This explains why I thought the episode was a big pile of crapola. Overall, I really enjoyed Twilight. Not the “best” that those over at the startrek.com Enterprise board are touting it as, but still a very good episode. Pros/General Comments Despite the obvious conclusion, I found myself getting wrapped up in the story…that is always a good thing. The parasites that infected Archer were an inventive addition to the story. I still think it odd that they would only affect future long-term memory. I suppose one would have to be a specialist in all things cerebral to fully understand this aspect. LOL!!! Did anyone see the little statue Archer used to kill the Xindi (I believe they were fighting in Archer’s quarters)? It looked like a military action figure. That was funny! :lol: Death isn't funny, but the statue was. :lol: When T’Pol rammed Enterprise (w/ Xindi ship still attached) into the other Xindi ship to force the ship loose of Enterprise was pretty cool. Feasible? Realistic? Not sure…still pretty cool! I loved it when Trip suggested as the solution for the overcrowding of prisoners… “Blow them out the airlock.” :lol: T’Pol and Archer’s Relationship Well they (the writers) were really teasing us about their relationship in this episode. Every time T’Pol was asked a direct question about her feelings or the nature of their relationship, the scene would switch time periods. Archer asked, “How has our relationship evolved?” I believe it was Ambassador Soval or Phlox who asked, “Why did T’Pol want to be Archer’s caretaker?” T’Pol refused to leave Archer’s side at the end of the episode when Archer was preparing to blow up the ship. Phlox insinuated that there was a compassion/love that existed between T’Pol and Archer. Could have been one-sided though (on T’Pol’s part). As a side note, did anyone else notice that Phlox seemed uncomfortable or perhaps he was a little jealous of T’Pol’s relationship with Archer? I can’t narrow down the right descriptive for the way Phlox was acting, but I definitely sensed something. Could be an indicator of how he may feel about T’Pol now…but in its infant stages. ***Warning…Rambling Thoughts on Phlox and Mysterioso man…Theory still in progress*** Ok, someone was paying that alien guy (forget his name/species) to track Phlox if he ever left Denobula. I think that “future guy” or someone equally mysterious knew that Phlox had a “cure” for the parasites in Archer’s head, and wanted to kidnap Phlox or prevent him from delivering that "cure" to Archer. Why? Because the mysterious guy (aka Mysterioso) possibly didn’t want the clock to be reset. This would imply that Mysterioso had advanced knowledge of the parasitic anomalies in the corridor, the destruction of Earth and the “cure” 12 years later. Also, that once the parasites were out of Archer's head...the clock would be reset. Hmmmm…something is going on. :ph43r: Cons When are these guys going to reinforce Enterprise in some way to prevent (at least some of the time) unauthorized boarding of the ship? The scenario seems to play out the same way every time…alien ship attaches itself to Enterprise and they board with very little resistance or prevention. I believe it was Admiralbill who said it first, but Gary Graham “Ambassador Soval” is a terrible casting choice. I know I have seen Graham in other parts, and he just doesn’t strike me as a convincing Vulcan. That and Soval is a pompous jerk! Once again the women on the show end up as the Caretaker or in Hoshi’s case in the same position she was in before the “we pushed the big reset button” so the 12 years never happened. Archer comes onto Enterprise and makes the comment “did everyone get their own ship while I was gone?” or something to that affect, and Hoshi said “not everyone sir.” That comment didn’t surprise me at all. I still think Trip sounded ridiculous/forced/unnatural in this episode. Unfortunately, the Southern accent can come off as a little corny on TV sometimes. Before anyone screams at me for making fun of Southerners…I am a Southerner and I have heard my share of fake Southern accents and when you try to switch from having a legitimate one to not having one at all…it sometimes sounds corny. The same can be said for people who are born without Southern accents and try to lay it on thick on the movie screen (the accent usually sounds fake and corny). You know, I wish B&B would either write Mayweather off the show or give him some material to work with. He is supposed to be one of the main seven is he not? <_< As I said before, I missed the last five minutes of the episode. However, and this point addresses Starbase63’s comments about the possibility of Archer imagining this whole event… Everything leading up to the final scenes led me to believe that Archer did not simply imagine the whole event. So, I definitely changed my opinion of this episode.
I give this episode
out of 5
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| bonja | Nov 10 2003, 09:43 PM Post #49 |
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I'm pretty sure that "action figure" was Archer's Zefram Cochrane statue. I also assumed the Xindi were paying to have Phlox watched knowing he would eventually lead them to the last humans. If this wasn't an halucination of Archer's then we should see some ramifications later on since every nanosecond these parasites were erased from existance would create an alternate time. |
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| starbase63 | Nov 11 2003, 07:04 PM Post #50 |
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The Old Man
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24th...the last five minutes are what give it all away, at least to me. If you get a chance to see the end finally, I think you might change your mind. B) Weeeeeeeeee're off to fight the Xindi.........." |
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| 24thcenstfan | Nov 11 2003, 07:08 PM Post #51 |
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Something Wicked This Fae Comes
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LOL! Maybe one of these days I might…that is if I can get my VCR to cooperate the next time Twilight comes on TV.
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| starbase63 | Nov 12 2003, 06:26 AM Post #52 |
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The Old Man
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LOL on the avatar...how many people will get it? LMAO...BTW, can you grab me a beer? B) |
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| 24thcenstfan | Nov 12 2003, 10:50 AM Post #53 |
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Something Wicked This Fae Comes
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B) [/QUOTE]
A few people at least.
Well starbase63 the next time I am in CT, I will drop a six-pack off for you and the Mrs. It will probably be many many years to come, but if you can wait that long. :lol: |
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| 24thcenstfan | Jan 28 2004, 09:23 PM Post #54 |
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Something Wicked This Fae Comes
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Ok Starbase63, A little over two months later, I was finally able to see the last 5 minutes of Twilight. It is my opinion that Archer could have hallucinated the entire episode. However, the final scene was just ambiguous enough to allow for the possibility that the whole episode actually did happen. The final scene in the sickbay with Archer and T’Pol was designed to show a care-taking familiarity with one another (draw a parallel to what happened over the 12 years that this episode was to have taken place). However, this in no way negates the possibility that the two could just be naturally comfortable around each other in this type of role, and the same type of behavior/scenario could have just as easily taken place now, in 12 years or 50 years from now. Regardless, your Twilight in Oz theory does give me food for thought! ****** An added note about this episode… I really liked the CGI in this episode…especially the explosion of Earth at the beginning of the episode. Extremely colorful, the Xindi weapon ripping through the Earth like an intense stream of fire/energy. |
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| Wichita | Jan 28 2004, 09:39 PM Post #55 |
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The Adminstrator wRench
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I still liked Captain Tucker quite a bit ... |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Jan 28 2004, 11:36 PM Post #56 |
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UberAdmiral
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I caught the end of it while I was fixing dinner. I still think it is incredibly hokey and predictable that, in the end, T'Pol is killed by one blast of the reptilian's rifle while it takes Archer THREE blasts, one point blank in the back, to kill him, but not before he can enter two intricate code sequences on that calculator keypad, and move those levers upward into their MAX position. How many times has this cliche' been used in sci-fi, war movies, or any other kind of drama? Geez!!! |
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| 24thcenstfan | Jan 29 2004, 06:12 PM Post #57 |
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Something Wicked This Fae Comes
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Trip certainly shows more command presence than Archer. He just needs to make sure that he never again uses that hokey accent he conjured up on Twilight.
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out of 5

3:29 AM Jul 11