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Twilight - Official Review Thread; ***Spoilers***
Topic Started: Nov 5 2003, 02:09 PM (1,024 Views)
ImpulseEngine
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This episode kept me entertained so I would rank it above most of the episodes that started off this season. But that's about the only positive I found in it.

What was the purpose of this episode? It told us nothing new about the Xindi. It contributed nothing to the Xindi story arc. In the end, everything in the episode was completely meaningless.

The Xindi weapon: I agree with AdmiralBill that I thought they were working on a bio-weapon. Also, why did it have to look like a Star Wars death star? I'd rather see originality.

The whole foundation of the episode was those parasites that somehow changed time just by their existence. I don't know if that sentence just made sense or fit exactly with what the authors meant because frankly I find the whole concept completely implausible and therefore hard to understand. Had they gone back in time and killed the parasites, I could understand how that changed the timeline. But how does killing them today cause them to cease to exist in the past? That's too far fetched IMO.

There were several details that stood out to me too. For example, why did the Soval say that if they had prevented humans from going into space "early", it would have prevented the whole Xindi disaster? Wouldn't the temporal cold war still be happening? Wouldn't someone have still informed the Xindi that humans would destroy them in 400 years?

I give this one a :) :) out of :) :) :) :) :)

I'm also not expecting much from next weeks episode. Why would they be doing a story about the old west when they have Earth to save? Another pointless tangent?
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Nov 6 2003, 02:49 PM
I don't really agree with you about the women being in caretaker roles. Though they didn't specifically state so it looked like Hoshi had moved up in rank. And the very fact that "fragile" Hoshi had stayed with the ship through thick and thin spoke very well of her character's growth. As for T'pol, well, she's never acted much like a Vulcan. Why start now?

Apparently we do disagree .... :D

Where else was Hoshi going to go? If there are only 6000 humans left with limited resources, I would imaging "choices" are limited for individuals. I would suggest the survivors had even questioned the purpose of Archer's continued existence and would have definitely questioned T'Pol devoting her life to caring for him exclusively.

One thing I miss from season one is the somewhat "prickly" relationship between Archer - T'Pol and T'Pol - Trip. The Archer character was taking such a beating for being "unmilitary" and "no diplomat", the producers seemed to react by making "T'Pol his cheerleader - telling us why he was so good since they couldn't seem to show us why he even got the job of captain.

Since I have forgot to say it twice before ....

Archer on the bridge in his PJ's at the beginning of the show - :wow: :wow: :wow:

:wave: :wave:
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ImpulseEngine
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One thing I forgot to mention: A few people here are saying that Trip looked better as Captain than Archer. Overall, I have always thought Trip would have been better in the Captain role, but in last night's episode I thought just the opposite. The ship was taking a beating during one scene and Trip just seemed to be sitting there thinking "what do I do?" for the longest time. It was probably really a 15 second scene, but it seemed like minutes that I kept waiting to hear his orders and he just sat there in silence looking panicked. It was a long period of silence for a starship Captain in the middle of intense battle. :o
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Nov 6 2003, 11:20 AM

Since I have forgot to say it twice before ....

Archer on the bridge in his PJ's at the beginning of the show - :wow: :wow: :wow:

:wave: :wave:

Don't you love it when the gratuitous nudity is aimed at us for a change? :wave2:
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8247, let me alleviate your concerns once and for all. I neither own a bat, nor will I ever try to track you down no matter how annoyed I become by your online comments. ;) So feel as carefree as you always have been in and outside of your domicile. :yes:


IE, you’re right. While Trip’s abilities as stand-in Captain have been very notable throughout Seasons 1, 2 and now 3, I did think that his portrayal was slightly off in this episode…hence my annoyance with his odd staccato change in accent. A minuscule detail, but noticeable enough to make me think twice about the quality of the acting in this particular episode. However, IMO, his overall command performance has been more convincing than Archer's performance. :)


Minuet, I see you love the little guys as much as I do. :D
:wave: :wave:
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IE and 24, I am going to have to give this episode a second look. I didn't notice the hesitation you spoke of, but then I was slightly distracted by well he looked "aged". ;) (His looked more natural than Bakula who looked like he was wearing a wig.)

Minuet, yes, it was a nice change of pace ... ;)

(I'm going to have to find a smiley with Groucho Marx eyebrows or a pronounced drool for moments like that. :D )
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ImpulseEngine
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I was reading reactions to this episode on st.com and someone had a cool thought. We could see events from Twilight retold, but with Archer in command. For example, they could reach that scene where the Xindi were docked with the Enterprise and see Archer's decision in the same situation that we already saw T'Pol's. It could be plausible to have some of those events still occur. It also might make me feel better that there was a purpose to this episode after all.
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My understanding is that the Xindi are working on two weapons, a bioweapon and something else. I have doubts the thing that hit Earth was sent by the Xindi (of course that may just be crazy thinking on my part).

I don't have problems with the "reverse time" existance of the parisites. Time is so mutable in the Trek universe with timelines popping into and out of existence that "cause and effect" are purely objective. I'm also not going to write off this episode as purposeless. I wouldn't be surprised to see these parisites show up again.
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Nov 6 2003, 01:27 PM
8247, let me alleviate your concerns once and for all. I neither own a bat, nor will I ever try to track you down no matter how annoyed I become by your online comments. ;) So feel as carefree as you always have been in and outside of your domicile. :yes:



You know I was just kidding with you. lol
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8247
Nov 6 2003, 09:13 PM
24thcenstfan
Nov 6 2003, 01:27 PM
8247, let me alleviate your concerns once and for all.  I neither own a bat, nor will I ever try to track you down no matter how annoyed I become by your online comments.  ;)  So feel as carefree as you always have been in and outside of your domicile. :yes:



You know I was just kidding with you. lol

I know. ;) :)
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24thcenstfan
Nov 7 2003, 02:38 AM
8247
Nov 6 2003, 09:13 PM
24thcenstfan
Nov 6 2003, 01:27 PM
8247, let me alleviate your concerns once and for all.  I neither own a bat, nor will I ever try to track you down no matter how annoyed I become by your online comments.  ;)  So feel as carefree as you always have been in and outside of your domicile. :yes:



You know I was just kidding with you. lol

I know. ;) :)

So 24 does that mean you don't want 82's IP and the URL of a locator pro ..... ummm.... never mind. :blush:
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Posted: Nov 5 2003, 06:09 PM "
Is enterprise getting better? (sorry spoke to soon saw the promo for the next episode - didn’t they do the whiled west already in a fist full of datas? And the TOS episode that I cant think of the name at the moment)


I think the TOS episode was called "Spectre of the Gun". I wasn't home last night, so I'll wait until Sunday night to watch it and weigh in then.

As an aside in the November 8 issue of TV Guide there is an article about most improved shows. On this list is Enterprise. Unfortunately, they suggest that it is "too little, too late." It does not discount completely a fourth season, but...?

Link: http://www.tvguide.com
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I know this review is late, but when I saw the episode, I honestly didn't know what to say about it. I mean it was good characterization between t'pol and archer, but its irrelevent because it was a pure reset. At least when some other episodes did this route, like Yesterday's Enterprise, they actually had remnices of the alternate timeline with Guinan and Sela.

I'll have to watch the episode again to get a full feeling of what it was because on wednesday I actually wasn't paying as much attention to it as I should.

One thing though that did piss me off (Actually its something from the rest of the series) is that Mayweather again is screwed by the damn writers. They only give him 30 seconds of screen time, and then kill him off before the damn theme song. Not only that, but there was no emotional impact with him later in the episode. It seemed like the writers totally forgot the guy even existed and right now its pissing me off to no end. :realmad: They might as well just kill him off because the writers don't care, the cast doesn't care, and heck, the fans don't care. Either that or get it through the writers minds (IF they have any) to give Mayweather a story and not just treat him as a token black guy. I might even go as far as saying that its Racist, and I'm white. :realmad:
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bonja
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gdog243
Nov 7 2003, 05:09 PM
I know this review is late, but when I saw the episode, I honestly didn't know what to say about it.  I mean it was good characterization between t'pol and archer, but its irrelevent because it was a pure reset.  At least when some other episodes did this route, like Yesterday's Enterprise, they actually had remnices of the alternate timeline with Guinan and Sela.

Don't write this episode off as a total reset yet. "Yesterday's Enterprise" was a third season show. Sela didn't appear until the fifth season.

I hate what they're not doing with Mayweather as well. Here we have a character with more experience in space than anyone else and he's treated worse than an extra. :realmad: :realmad:
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bonja
Nov 7 2003, 04:54 PM
gdog243
Nov 7 2003, 05:09 PM
I know this review is late, but when I saw the episode, I honestly didn't know what to say about it.  I mean it was good characterization between t'pol and archer, but its irrelevent because it was a pure reset.  At least when some other episodes did this route, like Yesterday's Enterprise, they actually had remnices of the alternate timeline with Guinan and Sela.

Don't write this episode off as a total reset yet. "Yesterday's Enterprise" was a third season show. Sela didn't appear until the fifth season.

I hate what they're not doing with Mayweather as well. Here we have a character with more experience in space than anyone else and he's treated worse than an extra. :realmad: :realmad:

True, but do you remember the final scene between Guinan and Geordi? She asked "Geordi, what can you tell me about...tasha yar." It was evident right then that Yesterday's enterprise wasn't a reset.
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