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| Twilight - Official Review Thread; ***Spoilers*** | |
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| Minuet | Nov 5 2003, 02:09 PM Post #1 |
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Fleet Admiral Assistant wRench, Chief Supper Officer
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Well kiddies, time for another episode. I see a thread has already been started condemning this show as a rehash. Time will tell. See ya all here tonight!
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| Dandandat | Nov 5 2003, 09:09 PM Post #2 |
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Is enterprise getting better? (sorry spoke to soon saw the promo for the next episode - didn’t they do the whiled west already in a fist full of datas? And the TOS episode that I cant think of the name at the moment) Tonight’s episode was good IMO anyway. Sure they have done this concept before (distort the problem in the future and change the past that didn’t turn out right). But they kept me entertained. Still don’t like the Theme music though - Its so out of place this season. You go from seeing earth destroyed to a snappy "its been a long time bla bla bla from here to there snapy snapy". It just doesn’t go. why would the Xindi waist the time to destroy all of humanity? Its not like they have a grudge for humanity, according to them the reason they are going to destroy earth is to prevent their world from becoming destroyed. There is no grudge their just business so why would they hunt down all humans? |
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| bonja | Nov 5 2003, 09:24 PM Post #3 |
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I suppose the one human who was left might develop the weapon to destroy the Xindi homeworld. I liked the episode, too. Obviously the reset button was going to be pushed at the end but I enjoyed how they got there. Especially how the last refuge of humanity (I suppose I could try for a Battlestar Galactica reference here... but no ) was Ceti Alpha V.I'll give it
out of 5.I saw the preview for next week's episode and I will try not to prejudge the episode. |
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| 8247 | Nov 5 2003, 09:36 PM Post #4 |
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Twilight was the doomsday episode that gets worked out at the end. I liked it, but we've seen basically the same story twice on TNG (2 episodes, and First Contact) and quite a few times on Voyager. I did like it though. I thought the Ceti Alpha 5 thing was kind of out there until I realized that at the end of the movie, none of it was to have happened. It did back up the reason Kirk chose Ceti Alpha 5 for Khan though. Also, I noticed that the sun in that system looked pretty unstable. lol I dont think I'm going to be looking forward to next weeks episode though. The whole wild west thing has been played out in Star Trek. The TOS episode was good, and at least they were on a holodeck for the wild west episodes in TNG. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm expecting the first letdown of this season next week. :turkey: |
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| 24thcenstfan | Nov 5 2003, 09:41 PM Post #5 |
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Something Wicked This Fae Comes
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*****BIG SIGH***** IMO, Twilight was one of the worst Enterprise episodes ever! Heck, that episode might be in the top twenty list of crapola for all of the Trek series combined. BORING, would be an understatement! A parasite that remains in interspatial flux? That was probably the only interesting aspect of the show. The fact that it caused Archer to lose future long-term memory but not past long-term memory was odd/idiotic/strange/stupid. Did anyone notice the Xindi uniform? I think they borrowed that purple/blue psychedelic color scheme from Shinzon’s tailor. :rolleyes: What was with Trip’s weird new accent? I rate this episode out of 5
P.S. I reserve the right to change my mind after I watch it again later this week. ********************** Edit:I rewatched this episode...found that indeed it was not a big pile of crapola. I posted another review further down the thread. I now give this episode:
out of 5
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| Minuet | Nov 5 2003, 09:44 PM Post #6 |
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Well I've got to say that I liked this episode. I can't believe I'm saying this, but the show does seem to be getting more and more like real Trek every week. The first few weeks were so bad I didn't think it was possible, but this episode definitely reminded me of TNG. The "reset button" was a ploy they used a number of times, but I don't see this as a rehash. More like a tribute. And I loved the joke at the end when Archer said T'pol would make a good nurse. He actually smiled for the first time all season!!!!
Is it a coincidence that these "good" episodes have not contained any massage scenes? I actually liked that they hinted at a romantic liason with Archer and T'pol, maybe because they left it to our imaginations rather then throwing it in our faces. As to next week, Dandandat, I don't see the Wild West theme as a problem. Finding a Earth parallel is a classic Trek ploy. Hopefully it will be another improved episode.
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| Minuet | Nov 5 2003, 09:46 PM Post #7 |
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Forgot to give my rating
(3 1/2) out of 5
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| Wichita | Nov 5 2003, 10:13 PM Post #8 |
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The Adminstrator wRench
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I liked it. Wasn't the best Star Trek ever, but definitely one of the better Enterprise episodes. The parasite thing was goofy and the "reset" button obvious, but it worked. The female characters, of course, did a fine job in their caretaker/nurturer roles as always. With the exception of "The Seventh", Trip still is the one who impresses me most in the Captain role. |
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| 8247 | Nov 5 2003, 10:28 PM Post #9 |
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Remind me not to piss you off, 24. You're brutal. lol |
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| 24thcenstfan | Nov 5 2003, 11:44 PM Post #10 |
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Something Wicked This Fae Comes
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8247, I wouldn’t worry about pissing me off. I can’t really take a swing at you through the computer anyway. :lol:
Wichita I agree. IMHO, Trip would definitely make a much better Captain than Archer. I might feel differently if Bakula/Archer had demonstrated more character development, but he hasn't...at least not as much as Trip (IMHO). I say we get a letter writing campaign going requesting that Paramount demote the character of Archer to Ensign and promote Trip to Captain.
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Nov 6 2003, 12:03 AM Post #11 |
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I was planning on logging on halfway through the episode and asking, "Anyone want to bet when they push the Big Red Reset Button??" But I didn't. Overall, I give this one 1.5 out of 5. It wasn't quite a piece of shiitake (mushroom), but it came close. I knew how this was going to end from the very moment Archer woke up old and gray. Things I liked about the episode... 1. I see that Malcolm inherited the Evil Spock's beard from "Mirror, Mirror." Looked good on him. 2. It was nice to see another Starfleet ship design, even if it was just in a modified dream sequence. 3. Trip as commanding officer... more professional, less cornpone. Things I didn't like: 1. Gary Graham, the snotty Vulcan. Bad casting call, always has been! 2. As I said in the earlier thread... great, another virus infecting a crew member. 3. The Earth being blown up sequence. Gee, I thought the Xindi weapon was supposed to be a bioweapon, not a blast-the-planet-like-the-Death-Star weapon! 4. The BIG RED COSMIC RESET BUTTON! How many times are Trek writers going to use this tired old plot device? What's next? Bobby Ewing in a shower, and Hoshi saying "It was just a dream!" (That's a "Dallas" reference for the young, and for those not familiar with mid-80s American television.) 5. The XIndi lizards surprising the MACOs in not one, but TWO different crossfires that killed them. You'd think the crew would learn the first time. 6. At the end, why did it take Archer so long to die when everyone else died almost directly after they got hit with the first shot from the Xindi weapon? Note to 24... yes, it does look like the Xindi lizards go to Shinzon's tailor. Maybe Frederick's of Vulcan had a sale on shimmery metallic purple cloth? |
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| 8247 | Nov 6 2003, 12:48 AM Post #12 |
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But, 24...You do live near me. It wouldnt be hard for you to track me down, and beat me into a bloody pulp with a baseball bat. lol |
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| Wichita | Nov 6 2003, 06:28 AM Post #13 |
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Bill, I actually don't disagree with anything you said. My complaints with this episode are actually ones I would have any Star Trek series though. Yes, the plot twists last night were cheesy, but they were cheesy when they did a similiar thing in TNG, DS9 or Voyager. Some things about Star Trek have just never made any sense (like taking your top 5 officers on away missions
)The show would have been infinitely better IMO if they had shown us the issue from Archer's perspective rather than hearing the whole thing told by T'Pol. Or, if T'Pol was going to narrate part, show her frustration with having to tell the story again and again and again. The "Enterprise action" they tell us about generally is far more exciting and dangerous than the "Enterprise action" they show us. One minor plus .... IMO (which of course counts for nothing ) T'Pol looked great last night. Or maybe, as one poster on another board says in his signature, it's better to "Lower your expectations - Enterprise is more fun that way." :lol: |
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| Minuet | Nov 6 2003, 09:49 AM Post #14 |
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Wichita, this is exactly why I said this episode was more like Trek then what we have been seeing in the past. I don't really expect reality in my Trek, it would spoil the fun. I don't really agree with you about the women being in caretaker roles. Though they didn't specifically state so it looked like Hoshi had moved up in rank. And the very fact that "fragile" Hoshi had stayed with the ship through thick and thin spoke very well of her character's growth. As for T'pol, well, she's never acted much like a Vulcan. Why start now? |
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| TribbleMom | Nov 6 2003, 09:57 AM Post #15 |
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Actually, it kind of made sense that T'Pol would be the one to take care of Archer in this state of confusion and forgetfulness. I figure that only a Vulcan could practice enough patience through their mental discipline to retell the story day after day. |
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) was Ceti Alpha V.
out of 5
I can’t really take a swing at you through the computer anyway. :lol:
I might feel differently if Bakula/Archer had demonstrated more character development, but he hasn't...at least not as much as Trip (IMHO).
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