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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 3 2003, 07:10 PM (501 Views) | |
| desainte | Nov 3 2003, 07:10 PM Post #1 |
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Yesterday while walking to work past our Parliament buildings here in NZ, I encountered a group of anti-GE protesters - they have been encamped there for the better part of a week to protest the end of a moritorium on Genetic Engineering. As I passed one of them - a dread-locked bedecked moron who looks as though he hasn't washed in months - he was cheering the fact that the US military Chinook Helicopter had been shot down in Iraq and actually had the balls to be stopping passers-by with the news. We got into a yelling match until a nearby policeman decided it would be a good idea to lead the idiot away - apparently he had been watching the guy harangue the crowd for some time. Where do these fools come from, and why, as a tax payer, am I expected to hand over so much of my salary each month so these vermin can camp outside Parliament? On another note - to get away from my moaning - my sympathies go out to the families of these and other servicemen who have been killed in past months. |
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| starbase63 | Nov 3 2003, 07:37 PM Post #2 |
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We have the same problem here, desainte... Here a few weeks ago I was happy my nephew is in Baghdad because all the action was in Tikrit...now I find myself cringing every time I hear another US serviceman has been killed in Baghdad.
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| Cool Vulcan | Nov 3 2003, 08:34 PM Post #3 |
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I know a guy who is in active service, he actually sat in Saddams chair. And one guy here who has been ordered to report in January to ship out. I almost ened up going, to Bagdad but flat feet kept me out. I know, there are plenty here. They'd protest, that they are being killed for no reason. So I ask myself, if they are so anti-American then why do they go there to work? Or better yet go to other country and be anti-anything. |
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| polarslam | Nov 3 2003, 10:42 PM Post #4 |
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How would you almost go to Bagdad? Your not in the army and there is no draft and you live in the U.K? |
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| doctortobe | Nov 3 2003, 11:54 PM Post #5 |
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Just a guess, but perhaps he tried to get in the military and was turned down on that basis. Our cadet class emptied out quite a lot last semester from people who's reserve/national guard unit was activated or the fact that they signed up to go to combat. Those of us that are still there wonder what will be happening when we receive our commissions. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Nov 4 2003, 10:13 AM Post #6 |
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Agreed, Doc. Gabe should know though, that not everyone who enlists goes to Iraq. As for the downed helo, I'm enraged and saddened. I'm saddened for the troops killed and their families. I'm enraged at Saddam Hussein and his supporters. They are using the Ho Chi Minh handbook to operate... calculating that Americans have short attention spans and little stomach for blood and death. Saddam and his loyalists figure that if they kill enough Americans, we'll go home... just like in Vietnam and in Somalia. Not this time. We're in Iraq for the long haul. My recommendation? Steamroll over Fallujah. Maybe it is time to level one of their cities, like that one. Round up the men and teen boys, evacuate the females, and completely obliterate the town. Leave no two bricks connected, burn everything. Erase it from the next series of maps. If they keep it up, Tikrit is next. |
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| captain_proton_au | Nov 4 2003, 10:56 AM Post #7 |
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The more and more I look into this action, the more I believe the US is doing the right thing, and the more I believe the rest of the world is being over caustious and cowardly.I have taken the time to look into it, but I fear the majority of westerners havent, and that the continuing deaths of soldiers in Iraq may sway the view of the american public in particular, and it may become another vietnam - the war lost via the media at home. I think they need to find Saddam soon,it may be just symbolic, but it will buy the US gov another 6-12 months in Iraq to further rebuild and make an observable difference and give the Iraquis some peace of mind. |
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| Hoss | Nov 4 2003, 11:41 AM Post #8 |
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Agreed, captain_proton, it is a shame that we have to play politics, when we should be focused on the situation at hand. But that is the current political mileau of the west (unfortunately). |
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| polarslam | Nov 4 2003, 12:18 PM Post #9 |
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But the whole reason America invaded Iraq was to save the Iraqi people from a murderous tyrant, so I fail to see how trying to outdo Saddam at genocide is going to help the situation unless your just trying to prove to the Iraqi people that they just have new murderous tyrnats in charge of them now. It's going to be a long, hard occupation and I truly hope that the weak will politicians do not run away as that will only hurt Iraq even more. One thing I'm surprised about is the sense of shock at these attacks, I mean who in their right mind belived that any country is going to welcome an occupation with flowers and cheers? The statments prior to the war stating that it was going to be an easy road to creating an Iraqi democray were either stupid misinformed idealism or just easy answers given to the public. |
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| Dandandat | Nov 4 2003, 12:43 PM Post #10 |
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Aren’t we the same Americans as those who wanted a pull out of Somalia? Unfortunately to many people do have small attentions spans and little stomach for blood. And they are making this whole thing more difficult then it has to be.
AB never said anything about murdering, so how can there be genocide? AB said you cant murder people when you burn down the city, if they aren’t in the city. Not that I agree with AB here, but you should at lest listen to what he has to say before make a quick judgment post. who made these claims to the public? |
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| polarslam | Nov 4 2003, 12:51 PM Post #11 |
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The statments made prior to and during the invasion concerning Americans being welcomed as libartors and greeted with flowers and cheering by men such Richard Pearle and Paul Wolfiwitz gave the impression that they thought the occupaction would be easy. That said the State Department and CIA both released estimates that detailed a fairly close outline of what the military is facing today, so it's not as if there was a concensus that the occupation would be easy. |
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| ANOVA | Nov 4 2003, 12:52 PM Post #12 |
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From the "Let us win your hearts and mind or I'll burn your f*****g huts down" school of diplomacy. Are we burning the males when we burn the biuldings, Thereby saving a ,match? Or are we doing a public execution infront of the women., There by saaving us the time and enrgy to issue a warning to other cities? The Devils in the Deatails. Besides, its going to get worse before it gets better. ANOVA |
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| Hoss | Nov 4 2003, 12:57 PM Post #13 |
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All that I have ever heard my friend GWB say is that it will be a long and tough road and we will stay the course. Unfortunately most of the population thinks that problems can be resolved in 30 minutes. I wonder where they get this idea.
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| polarslam | Nov 4 2003, 01:05 PM Post #14 |
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From your friend... |
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| Hoss | Nov 4 2003, 01:24 PM Post #15 |
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The implied and obvious answer to the question was "television programming". Note to self: you can never be to obvious. |
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