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| Hoss | Oct 20 2003, 05:58 PM Post #1 |
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Voyager kind of started the whole idea of holograms becoming sentient. This has alway bothered me because they are just programs running and the programs just think that they are alive. They're just lines of code running through a CPU somewhere. Why not replicate Data's body and load up the hologram core or personality? Perhaps you could argue that they are dependant upon computers and holo-emmiters the way that we would be dependant on environmental controls and food replicators, but that doesn't hold water with me. I kind of wish that there would be no more talk of sentient holograms after Voyager. Does this make it murder to format your hard drive? Anyone want to discuss this? |
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| Fesarius | Oct 20 2003, 07:53 PM Post #2 |
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38957, Would Moriarty (TNG) be an exception that you would allow? I think it was still a bit far-fetched, although it made for a wonderful story.
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| Hoss | Oct 21 2003, 07:15 AM Post #3 |
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The Moriarty thing was kind of what started this I guess. I just found it difficult to accept that a hologram was anything like Data in existence. They literally cannot exist with out all of this computer overhead and photon emmitters. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Oct 21 2003, 10:31 AM Post #4 |
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A "hologram" according to B&B is a sentient being, but wouldn't that mean that the computer controlling it would have sentience too? Or, is there a way to have a computer stay dumb while programs within it are sentient? The "Photons Be Free" (forgot the name, just remembered the "book") episode was, to be blunt, dumb! Why would any logical society use a collection of forcefields and an intelligent program to do scut work when you could use a robot with minimal programming to do the same thing, and probably a lot cheaper in terms of resources? Robots don't have to look like people (look at welding robots used by car manufacturers as an example). A mining robot would be specially created to perform a function, or be created of movable segmented parts for multiple uses. Forcefields and a sentient program? LAME! |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Oct 21 2003, 10:36 AM Post #5 |
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While we're at it, the idea of a holographic doctor was stupid. Then again, I always thought that the TNG era holodeck idea was moronic. I know why B&B didn't use an "autodoc" (see any story by Larry Niven) or a diagnostic hardware/software machine... money. It would be an expensive prop. The whole "I'm trying to expand my parameters" idea was LAME (I keep using the word, but it best describes Berman and Braga's work). Does a computer program attempt to expand its parameters and grow? No. If you had to have an interactive computer program, it would have been easy to have it stay within its programming. But noooooooo. We could have gotten around the whole holographic BS by simply making Robert Picardo's character flesh and blood. But that's a whole different thread. |
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| ImpulseEngine | Oct 21 2003, 10:59 AM Post #6 |
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I never liked the hologram idea either. And I don't see how a hologram could be a doctor. How would he pick up a surgical instrument or examine a patient? Would everything just go right through? Maybe this was explained at some point - I only saw about half of the episodes - but it never made sense to me. Admiralbill, I completely agree about the holodeck. I never liked that either and I thought it was used way too much. |
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| Hoss | Oct 21 2003, 12:04 PM Post #7 |
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So, if like on the episode of VOY in which the Doctor is kidnapped by a holoship full of holograms created by the Hirogen for hunting purposes, all of the holograms exist on a single computer or holo-server I guess, then it kind of bugs me that the same computer has so many resident intelligent, sentient life forms. It is kind of schizo-phrenic I guess. They're all in the same computer and memory right? I don't mind the idea of a holographic doctor as an implement for the computer to perform medical duties in an emergency. The hologram would be the most flexible interface (walking through force fields and appearing from place to place). I think that the holodeck was a good idea. It gives an insight into the Star Trek future's recreational activities. It is logical to assume that people will do something to amuse themselves in the 24th century. I disagree that it was lame, it allowed them the oportunity to do things with stories and explore the characters in their off-time. I just don't really like the turn they have taken in which holograms can become sentient life forms akin to Data. |
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| captain_proton_au | Oct 22 2003, 08:03 AM Post #8 |
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What really is the differnece between a robot being sentient , and a computer core being sentient, isnt the idea really the same, both are machines that are sentient. I'm glad they made picardos character in voyager a hologram, it initialized a premise for some good stories, the three previous series all had flesh n blood doctors and that area was starting to get a bit dull. Note : most of Bashirs staring eps had to do with him in section 31, or the war or as a spy, not much to do with being a doctor.And Crusher had to be the dullest character on TNG. As for the holodeck, yeah way over done. How many eps followed the basic storyline - a group enters the holodeck, for some reason they are trapped inside, safetys are off and they have to fight their way out. Back to holograms - members previous comments about sentient life existing in a computer core as dubious - does this mean we will only accept one form of AI in the future, robots with some kind of human form? Isnt a robot a computer core in a shell any way? |
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| Hoss | Oct 22 2003, 08:09 AM Post #9 |
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It just seems to me that with sentient hologram programs they could just be copied a ka-zillion times and then what do you have. The computer that is running the hologram is just a machine but the hologram is a life form? How do multiple holographic entities reside on the same computer simultaneously? I have heard of hyperthreading, but this is a stretch. |
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