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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 3 2003, 06:25 PM (407 Views) | |
| Hoss | Oct 3 2003, 06:25 PM Post #1 |
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I chose Stalin |
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| Swidden | Oct 3 2003, 07:31 PM Post #2 |
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This is another on of those "How can I choose only one?" polls. That being said I would rate it a tie between Stalin and Pol Pot. Hitler is going to be a quick answer for some people and he fairly deserves the consideration. However I think that the sheer pathological nature of the other two edges him out by just a wee bit. Also, I would question the wisdom of placing Clintion's name on the list. I am assuming that it is placed there as a joke. A play on your own conservative nature 38957 perhaps? Some might take it a little too seriously (I expect that certain posters with a more liberal perspective are going to place various Republican president's on the list as write-in candidates). |
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| doctortobe | Oct 3 2003, 07:43 PM Post #3 |
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It really depends on how you define worst. Stalin killed millions of his own people but used fear to throw his troops at Germany. This allowed the other Allies time to build up an invasion force in the West. Hirohito was head of state of Japan but most decisions were made by military leaders. Hitler at the very least built the autobahn and revitalized Germany's economy. There are a good many people on this list however that have no hint of a silver lining. Of these I picked Nero. Just because he ruled a long time ago doesn't lessen any of his crimes. Did any of these other leaders have the gall to burn down a good deal of their capital city to make room for his personal use? PS, I'm not sticking up for any of these leaders (well maybe Clinton) but if you want to pick the worst you have to see what good things can be said about them. |
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| Dandandat | Oct 3 2003, 07:43 PM Post #4 |
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Now is this a question of who was the worst leader or the person who did the worst things as a leader. Cause most of those people where evil men, but some of them where great leaders. |
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| Minuet | Oct 3 2003, 07:49 PM Post #5 |
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Dante, your post came up as I was making my selection and planning to post something similar. Those of you who know I am Jewish would probably figure I would pick Hitler automatically. But I did not, because he was an evil man, but a great leader. A leader is someone who can get people to follow them and do thier bidding. I chose Idi Amin. The man was pure evil and got to his position, not by being a leader, but by military force. Hitler was elected. He was obviously able to lead the people to do his bidding. |
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| Swidden | Oct 3 2003, 08:00 PM Post #6 |
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Careful there Minuet. Your comment sounds a bit like one attributed to Arnold Schwarzenegger yesterday and today.
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| Minuet | Oct 3 2003, 09:44 PM Post #7 |
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Could you fill me in on the quote? I know Mr. Schwarzenegger has been accused of treating some women very badly and he is in a bit of hot water as a result, but I have no idea what quote you are refering to and if it has anything to do with that particular issue. |
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| Swidden | Oct 3 2003, 09:48 PM Post #8 |
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The story came out either late last night or early today that about 30 years ago he made a remark to the effect that Hitler was an effective speaker. Over the course of today the reports have morphed it into admiration for Hitler. He refutes the assertion. It is being attributed to last ditch efforts to defeat him in this recall. |
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| Minuet | Oct 3 2003, 09:56 PM Post #9 |
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It does sound like a last ditch effort. I remember reading earlier on that Schwartzenegger's father had been a member of the Nazi party, but that Arnold did not follow on that path, in fact I believe he was estranged from his father over it. He was stating the truth. Hitler was a mesmerizing speaker. That doesn't change the fact that he used his talents for evil instead of good. If all evil people could be recognized immediately we wouldn't have had the bloody history that we have had in this world. We need to learn from our mistakes and learn to recognize the difference between who is telling the truth and who is leading us on the path to disaster. |
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| Swidden | Oct 3 2003, 10:06 PM Post #10 |
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I'll shut up on the subject after this post so as not to totally derail this thread. The thing is that Govenor Davis has been all over the news tonight commenting on how "unconscionable" is Schwarzenegger's "admiration*" for Hitler. (*:I believe that is the word Davis used) |
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| somerled | Oct 3 2003, 10:46 PM Post #11 |
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Well , Pol Pot absolutely destroyed his country, it's society, economy and even the family unit. The efforts of Hitler and Stalin were pretty significant too (Hitler was crazy, Stalin just plain ruthless and perhaps amoral), but neither set back their peoples to the same extent. |
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| ds9074 | Oct 4 2003, 10:55 AM Post #12 |
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Hitler without a doubt. None of the others started a world war (as far as I know) and then there is the Holocaust. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Oct 5 2003, 05:19 PM Post #13 |
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It was a tossup between Mao, Hitler, and Stalin. Mao had millions of "subversives" (actually, people with an education who might question him) either relocated to farms or shot outright. His Great Leap Forward starved 20 million. Hitler organized the genocide of an entire group of people, and wound up killing over six million of them. Stalin had purges of people who looked sideways at him, his army, and the state security apparatus. In addition, he sentenced millions to gulags where maybe one in three survived. The Great Famine of 1933, which was contrived, starved millions in the Ukraine. Tough call, but I went with Stalin. All of these men were evil butchers, but Stalin was the worst. A sad thing... in some circles, Mao and Stalin are still revered... just like Castro. These are the intelligensia. As bad, the unintelligensia worship Hitler. |
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| ImpulseEngine | Oct 6 2003, 05:24 PM Post #14 |
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It depends on your definition of leadership, but I chose Hitler. Hitler could lead in the strict sense of the term, but the direction a leader chooses to lead his/her followers IMO is as much an important part of leadership as the leading itself. Directions don't get any worse than those of Hitler. |
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| Hoss | Oct 6 2003, 05:45 PM Post #15 |
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Nobody is going to say Arnold Ruutel? |
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