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more (disturbing) poll results for the President
Topic Started: Sep 29 2003, 07:11 PM (608 Views)
benetil
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http://www.msnbc.com/news/972703.asp

Newsweek poll items that have to be contributing to Mr. Karl Rove's nasty case of irritable bowel syndrome - insomnia - and maybe even more hair loss!

President Bush - in the eyes of America:

55% disapprove of how President Bush is handling the economy.

47% would not like to see President Bush re-elected. 46% said that they would.
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Swidden
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Does it have a "Undecided" or similar category? In the next few months I am expecting that type of category to swell as people begin to evaluate their options for the election.
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benetil
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Sep 29 2003, 07:27 PM
Does it have a "Undecided" or similar category? In the next few months I am expecting that type of category to swell as people begin to evaluate their options for the election.

Hi, Swidden. I'm not sure about the undecided category as far as this poll goes. Interesting question.

I did hear Howard Fineman say (MSNBC earlier this evening) that everything points to President losing the "independent" voters right now. If Howard Fineman is right, the "undecided" element among voters probably isn't good news for President Bush. And, following that thought, "undecided" in a poll like this probably wouldn't be good news for President Bush either.

The fact is a lot will be determined by the Democratic nominee - I think that a pandering weasel like Representative Dick Gephardt (my opinion) could tilt things in President Bush's favor.

He (Fineman) did say that two "demographics" seem to be standing strong with President Bush:
1) evangelical christians
2) pro business
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Something to keep in mind (besides that polls don't always reflect reality) is that people may not like the way Bush is handling the economy, but will they decide that one of the Democratic candidates can handle it better? :unsure: Given my dislike for Bush, it is really tempting to shout "hooray" over poll results like that, but then I look at those 10 Democrats and "hooray" just doesn't seem to be found in my throat... :blink:
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The USA is (very) generally broken down into 40% who most always vote for the Democrat and 40% who most always vote for the Republican and 20% that the candidates fight over.

This 20% is enough to cause anything from landslides like 1984 to close calls in 2000. So, this is not surprising.

It takes a really lowzy president like Carter to anger his own 40% enough that they will vote for the other candidate.
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benetil
Sep 29 2003, 07:11 PM

Newsweek poll items that have to be contributing to Mr. Karl Rove's nasty case of irritable bowel syndrome - insomnia - and maybe even more hair loss!


Do you know for a fact that Karl Rove has IBS, or were you just attempting humor?

Considering that these push polls amount to piling on, I'm not particularly worried.
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benetil
Sep 29 2003, 08:11 PM
55% disapprove of how President Bush is handling the economy.

What is wrong with the economy?
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Dandandat
Sep 30 2003, 04:23 PM
benetil
Sep 29 2003, 08:11 PM
55% disapprove of how President Bush is handling the economy.

What is wrong with the economy?

I'll second that.

After 8 years of penny pinching followed by salary cut (BEFORE President Bush was elected), I am having the best financial year of my life, and I'm in education - a notortiously poor paying profession.
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Admiralbill_gomec
Sep 30 2003, 10:33 AM
benetil
Sep 29 2003, 07:11 PM

Newsweek poll items that have to be contributing to Mr. Karl Rove's nasty case of irritable bowel syndrome - insomnia - and maybe even more hair loss!


Do you know for a fact that Karl Rove has IBS, or were you just attempting humor?

Considering that these push polls amount to piling on, I'm not particularly worried.

Admiralbill_gomec: I certainly didn't know that Karl Rove really suffered from IBS - what an unfortunate and inconvenient affliction - for him and those around him.

possible bad news for Mr. Rove - I've heard that psychological stress and mental duress can contribute to the severity and frequency of the attacks associated with the syndrome :blink:

Twins/Yankees for now - I'll offer some additional responses to the undercover CIA agent issue later. Take care.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Going back to that 55% disapprove of Bush's handling of the economy...

Isn't it amazing that the major media seems to ignore the fact that the economy is doing quite well. Most recent figures have shown OVER 4% growth, mostly keyed into the latest round of tax cuts.

Here's a problem I have. The bias in the media prevents them from preventing news that is GOOD for Americans. To me, most media is anti-American.
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ImpulseEngine
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Sep 30 2003, 12:31 PM
Dandandat
Sep 30 2003, 04:23 PM
benetil
Sep 29 2003, 08:11 PM
55% disapprove of how President Bush is handling the economy.

What is wrong with the economy?

I'll second that.

After 8 years of penny pinching followed by salary cut (BEFORE President Bush was elected), I am having the best financial year of my life, and I'm in education - a notortiously poor paying profession.

Well you're one of the lucky ones. My wife also works in education and she's been watching coworkers lose their jobs all around her every year for the past 3 years.

What's wrong with the economy? :rolleyes:

For one thing, look at this graph regarding unemployment:

BLS Graph

Unemployment dropped steadily throughout Clinton's administration. In the 2 1/2 years that Bush has been in office, it's risen almost back to the level it was at 10 years ago. :angry:
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Sep 30 2003, 05:34 PM
Unemployment dropped steadily throughout Clinton's administration.

Perhaps, but underemployment rose during the same period. People were exchanging $20/hour plus benefit jobs for $6/hour jobs (in some cases, 2 jobs) just to keep their heads above water. Eventually it catches up with them.

Remember Michael Moore *made* his career during the Clinton Administration. If everything was so rosy, we wouldn't know his name.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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You do know that unemployment is always the LAST indicator to fall (or employment is the last indicator to rise) in an expanding economy, right? By the way, that graph would look a little less intense if it actually had 0% as a baseline... and maybe went back twenty three years to double digit unemployment...

Factors impeding employment growth:

The 9/11 effect. The "what if" scenario of "What would happen to my business if there was another 9/11 attack?"

Efficiency. When an economy transforms, jobs are lost as the technology changes. In addition, during the slower growth that followed Clinton's stock market crash, companyiss made do with less.

The stock market bubble burst. Those jobs simply are NOT coming back. Why? Because the dot-com economy of throwing money at an intangible idea is already outdated.

Consider the unemployment rate. Six percent (okay, 6.1) is NOT bad. Full employment is calculated at between 4.5 and 5%.

Why can't you admit that things AREN'T as bad as is reported? Oh wait, that'd make Bush look good. Some of the Dems on here are going to have to look past partisanship and look for what is GOOD FOR AMERICA! Plain and simple. The blind hatred for George Bush is bordering on ridiculous, and people need to grow up. I was no Clinton fan, but I did applaud when he signed NAFTA and welfare reform. He was also my commander-in-chief for seven years.

I look at the big picture. Are things getting better? YES. Will they continue to improve? YES, despite what you hear.
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Skipper,
It's known as a lagging economic indicator.

Yes, I now you already knew that, I just thought I'd adress the point through your post.

Employment? A lagging indicator? Would that mean that the Great Clinton Economy was a result, at least in the beginning of Regonomics?

Would that mean that the economic downturn we were having before 9/11 was inherited from the Clinton administration.

Actually I'm less inclined to blame a president since the power of the purse belong to the congress.

All in good fun
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Sep 30 2003, 01:03 PM
Skipper,
It's known as a lagging economic indicator.

Yes, I now you already knew that, I just thought I'd adress the point through your post.


Yes, I did know (it is also one of the ten listed leading economic indicators), but I didn't want to confuse (or, most likely, bore the pants off) anyone, so I kept it simple.
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