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Peadophilia
Topic Started: Sep 25 2003, 11:24 AM (741 Views)
Lilac
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I believe, and have believed for some time now, that peadophilia is a mental illness.

I've noticed that peadophiles (yes, I have met some) honestly don't think they're doing anything wrong. They think it's perfectly acceptable that they 'groom' a child into sex. They see this 'grooming' as a preparation, as sick as this all sounds to us.

My uncle (who was a peadophile, as much as it shames me to say it) was surprised when charges were brought against him. He thought peadophilia was a different type of sexuality (despite the fact that he loathed homosexuality). He had the audacity to ask the poilce why they 'assumed' peadophilia was a bad thing.

This is why I think that peadophiles (and those who may be inclined to commit the act) should be checked into mental hospitals, or something of the sort. I don't think they know or understand that what they're doing is wrong.
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Cool Vulcan
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Actually I encountered a Perverted Scout Master. He destroyed the whole idea and the fun of that troop for almost everyone. I its sort of wrong to force a boy or girl to have sex with grown man or woman. The sex laws are really wieard about homosexuality and hetrosexuallity.

According to the Boy Scouts of America hand book I picked up about six or seven years ago said that its useally a family member or close friend that commits the crime.

Here a few laws that be of instertest.

Laws for Homosexuality

1. Males with male is allowed over the age of 18, yet if a boy of just 14 had sex with a man in his late 30's. It would be a crime and considered rape.

2. Female homosexuals can be on any age. Just say a girl of 14 had sex with a wman in her 30's, it would go with a caution.

Hetosexuality

1. You must ask permission from parents if your son or daughter wanted to have sex with their boyfriends or girlfriends.

2. No concent from parents needed over 18.

This what the law actually looks like in some countries. In Canada you must be 14 before it is legal.

I may be wrong here, I am not fond of peadophilia its sick, but useally its due to depression, just sickness, or to lonleyness, it is sick and wrong to rape anyone.

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somerled
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I don't agree, pedophiles are not sick, they know exactly what they are doing and they know that society (all societies without exception .... as far I can find and have read) regard sexual activity between adults and children as being totally TABOO.

Has more to do with having power and using that power for their own "benefit" .... good examples of this are priests, teachers, coaches and significant adult members of families who engage in pedophilia (even with their own children sometimes).

When I was a teenager I very attracted to a girl (a twin as it happened) who I met and became very fond off though regular (weekly) social dances and it turned out that no less than her very own father had been engaging in sexual activity with her and when she became pregnant I was initially blamed (she was 16 and I was 17 and we'd never gone that far). Well .... to make a long story short the baby was aborted and she finally confided with my family and I that her father was responsible .... this lead to police action and despite our best efforts (my parents allowed her to move in with us and sleep the girls' room with my younger sisters and we gave her maximum emotional support, she couldn't bring hereself to go through with things (some pressure was brought to bear by her mother , sister and father) and she asked the court to drop the charges and went home.

This is the kind of influence these people have over their victims.

I think even harsher penalties should be imposed on proven pedophiles including permanently removing them from society and chemical sterisation.
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Mental illness or not does not make it any less a crime. It would be nice if we could be assured that all such individuals would receive psychiatric therapy, but they should also serve jail time. They do know it is against the law, not agreeing with the law is not in itself a sign of mental defect. In fact, quite often when they are charged if they allocute to the offense(s) they will frequently claim that they could not help themselves.
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No one said it was tabbo. A pediphile is a person who rapes children and engage in sex without their permission, if someone went to you and force sex on you would you consider it wrong if someone took you as a teenager forced you to get it? Would you conider it ok, sounds sort of liberal to me. It doesn't matter if her father had sex with his own daughter it was still against the law.
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"somerled
Posted on Sep 26 2003, 12:05 AM "
I don't agree, pedophiles are not sick, they know exactly what they are doing and they know that society (all societies without exception .... as far I can find and have read) regard sexual activity between adults and children as being totally TABOO.


Actually, Somerled, there are societies that we would call "primitive" that do engage in activites of this nature. By their standards though, their morality, if you will the young people are at a point between childhood and adulthood. One such society has adolescent boys leave the home to live with men only when they have reached an age that the mother's work in their rearing is done. Sexual contact does occur in this environment.
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ImpulseEngine
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I think there is more than one cause of pedophilia, but probably all of it could be classified under mental illness. Some is caused by sexual addiction, some by a thirst for power, and some by repressed sexuality.

Take priests for example. Since most pedophiliac priests seem to attack boys, they are presumably homosexual in orientation. Sexuality of any kind is not allowed for priests so obviously they are supposed to repress it. They have no good way to get away with sex with an adult, but kids can be more easily tricked and perhaps even scared into silence. So there are those priests who can't sufficiently repress their sexual drive and fall into this temptation.

There are probably those who even became a priest because they are homosexual in orientation and decided the priesthood was one way to avoid having to tell family and friends their "deep dark secret" while avoiding the prospect of having to fake a heterosexual marriage. For those people, the priesthood may not really be what they wanted to do with their lives and then it's no wonder their vows aren't strong enough to keep them celebate.

On another note, many parents who are incestual with their children feel very guilty about it and are well aware of how wrong it is. But they have such a sexual addiction that they can't manage to stop themselves. I'm not excusing them by any means, but I am pointing out why it is mental illness.
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You know, I really don’t have much sympathy for pedophiles, and I am not all that interested in what causes it…mental illness, a thirst for power or addiction. Don’t get me wrong, if a scientist discovers a cure for whatever causes the mental illness (if there is one), then that is great. However, I am inclined to believe that pedophilia is a conscious action and not one made out of a mental deficiency or inability to control one’s actions.

What I am interested in though, is the punishment of pedophiles for their sick crime. Sticking these people in mental hospitals isn’t good enough. IMHO, there are only two combined actions that will act as a barely acceptable punishment…mandatory life imprisonment and the removal of genitalia (preferably by fire). If the perpetrator happens to be a woman, life imprisonment and an equally harsh punishment can be applied.

I know I am sounding harsh, but there is nothing more precious in our society than our children. When someone hurts a child in this manner, and virtually destroys all that is pure about that child…well that perpetrator should suffer. I don’t often say any individual is evil, but I am convinced that pedophiles are just plain evil!
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Lilac
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24thcenstfan
Sep 26 2003, 04:36 PM
I know I am sounding harsh, but there is nothing more precious in our society than our children. When someone hurts a child in this manner, and virtually destroys all that is pure about that child…well that perpetrator should suffer. I don’t often say any individual is evil, but I am convinced that pedophiles are just plain evil!

Oh believe me, I don't condone peadophilia in any way.

But what is strange is that I have considerably more sympathy for peadophiles than most, which is confusing to everyone including me (I was molested at an early age, but I don't want to go into details right now). However, I still think peadophilia is a horrible, sickening act, though I am interested in the cause and motivation behind it.
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If it were my child, I would not be concerned with motivations and causes, but with punishment and prevention and counceling for the child. Let us remember who the victim is here.

If we could cure pedophelia, we should do it, but if we can't do anything to help the pedophile we still have the olbligation to protect society from him(her).

As Spock might say: "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one".
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Lilac
Sep 26 2003, 05:01 PM
24thcenstfan
Sep 26 2003, 04:36 PM
I know I am sounding harsh, but there is nothing more precious in our society than our children.  When someone hurts a child in this manner, and virtually destroys all that is pure about that child…well that perpetrator should suffer.  I don’t often say any individual is evil, but I am convinced that pedophiles are just plain evil!

Oh believe me, I don't condone peadophilia in any way.

But what is strange is that I have considerably more sympathy for peadophiles than most, which is confusing to everyone including me (I was molested at an early age, but I don't want to go into details right now). However, I still think peadophilia is a horrible, sickening act, though I am interested in the cause and motivation behind it.

I had a feeling that you'd say that Liliac. Its still wrong in the eyes of the law. Teens have little rights these days, some are in fact drivin to that some have it depressed so much they'd do it. :sick: Heres one for you what if the victim said yes I'd have sexul intercourse with you. It'd still be illegal.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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This may sound harsh, but pedophiles are the lowest of the low and should be taken out and shot. Kids are unable to defend themselves, and when this kind of abuse comes from an adult (a person in a position of authority, or a relative), there is absolutely no excuse. This is a crime (in my book) up there with murder. I think this should be a death penalty offense, not a "we have to understand why he does it" session with a p-shrink. Forget that. Get them out of our society now!

(To answer a few unasked questions, no I was never abused, my son has never been abused, nor has anyone in my family. As a father, this enrages me!)

Okay, I'm cooled off now.

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qubed
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"I think this should be a death penalty offense"

- Unofficially, often it is. Pedaphiles are so low on the class structure in the prison system totem pole their underground. Other prisoners gain stature by murdering them, which is something as a Christian I don't condone but I have a hard time trying to get upset about it either. Since past sexual, mental or physical abuse is so comon amongst prisoners its no surprise that pedaphiles are walkin stabbin dummies in the joint. One of the pedaphile preists here in Bosotn just got his not to long ago in prison by an inmate who was out for stature gain.
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ImpulseEngine
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Did I give the wrong impression here? :unsure: I have no sympathy whatsoever for pedophiles. :realmad: I was merely answering to the question of whether it's mental illness.

However, in terms of whether to have sympathy and what to do with pedophiles, it comes down to a choice between the well-being of children and the well-being of pedophiles. Of course, I could only choose the well-being of children. I don't care what the cause of pedophelia is. The first priority is to get these people off the streets at whatever cost to the pedophiles.

I don't think rehabilitating pedophiles could ever reliably work either so I would have to go with life imprisonment with no possibility of parole or the death penalty for pedophiles.
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I acknowledge that the accepted norms in different societies may be somewhat different to western taboos.

It wasn't all that long ago that children as young as 12 were considered to be maritable age (in western cultures .... the 1800s and certainly in the mddle ages).
And we all know the Greeks, Romans and Egyptians engaged in incestuous marrages (mainly amongst the ruling classes to keep power with the confines of the immediate family).

Pretty sure her father knew what he was doing was wrong , and he certainly knew it was illegal and that he'd be severely sanctioned by the legal system and by society if it got out, and it may never have been found out she had never gotten pregant as a result.

I stand by statement that these people should removed from society permanently and that they should be permanently chemically castrated (in order to destroy their libido). Apart from that treatment is waste of time.
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