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| Very Interesting; Arafat - The KGB's Man | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 24 2003, 11:55 AM (210 Views) | |
| Minuet | Sep 24 2003, 11:55 AM Post #1 |
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Attached is a link to a very interesting article regarding Yasser Arafat's political training grounds. http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=18346 I'm sure this is not new information for many of you, but some need reminding of the real history of the mid east. And NZ, before you note that this is a "Jewish" site and therefore biased please note that the article originally comes from the Wall Street Journel. I didn't link directly to there because you need to be a member to read thier articles. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Sep 24 2003, 11:57 AM Post #2 |
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I read this in the WSJ on Monday. Scary stuff. |
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| mrbastard | Sep 24 2003, 12:30 PM Post #3 |
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and ianinoz and nztrekkie would defend this scum... but, then again, as Arafat has reputadly a fortune in his foreign accounts, it's good to see him sharing the poverty of the people he allegedly represents...if an Israeli Prime Minister were to behave like Arafat, he would at least be ousted by the electorate, probably charged with fraud and corruption. If only the Islamic peoples could be freed from the control and dogma of those in charge... |
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| nztrekkie | Sep 24 2003, 04:24 PM Post #4 |
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is there any difference ??? :lol: |
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| Minuet | Sep 24 2003, 06:08 PM Post #5 |
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Is that the best you can come up with?? Aren't you going to defend Arafat?? I wanted to see your opinion in light of these facts?? |
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| nztrekkie | Sep 24 2003, 06:19 PM Post #6 |
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well i thought it was pretty funny............ I am not going to defend Mr Arafat's actions of violence and murder any more than I am going to defend Mr Mandela's similar actions. They have simply taken courses of action which both saw as necessary to achieve their respective goals. As most broad minded people would admit, one person's terrorist is another persons freedom fighter. Who is to judge ? "Judge not lest ye be judged" doesn't it say ? |
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| Minuet | Sep 24 2003, 06:59 PM Post #7 |
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In light of your earlier comment on another thread that one particular religious group has stamped thier authority on the middle east I just thought that this was a good rebuttle. It shows who is actually stamping thier authority on the Palestinians and it ain't Israel!!! :angry: |
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| nztrekkie | Sep 24 2003, 07:07 PM Post #8 |
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to be honest - I didn't read the whole article, I think the themes are not new. However, i would remind you, and the Israeli govt, that Mr Arafat remains, for better or worse, the most popular leader of the Palestinain people and any attmept to "remove him" will only pour petrol on the flames. |
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| Minuet | Sep 24 2003, 07:57 PM Post #9 |
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A fair debate is impossible if you are not willing to read the whole article. You should educate yourself on both sides of the issue if you really want to understand it. I have looked at both sides, and have a lot more sympathy for the Palestinian people then you may realize. However, I am not willing to give in to thier desire to completely destroy Israel to attain thier goals. |
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| nztrekkie | Sep 24 2003, 08:41 PM Post #10 |
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surely if i choose not to read your article then say something silly which is wrong or against what the article said - that's my problem and I would have a poor position to debate from. I skimmed over the article, not reading it in detail as there did not seem to be anything I didn't already know. if you want to debate something based on this article or other please go ahead. Correct me if I'm wrong - I may have simply have not read it - but have you ever posted anything sympathetic to the Palestinian cause ? The last comment of yours I remember in a discussion we had on this issue was something to the tune of...."there is no such thing as Palestine or Palestinian people anyway". Do you think this ? |
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| Minuet | Sep 24 2003, 09:09 PM Post #11 |
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I do indeed have sympathy for the people who have been displaced. I simply disagree with you about who is responsible for thier displacement, and how the problem should be solved. Are you aware that Jordan has annexed more of the land originally slated by the UN for Palestine then Israel has? How come no one bothers to ask them for the land back? Maybe because they are fellow Muslim Arabs? The Palestinians have been indoctrinated to believe that the Jews (I say Jews and not just Israelis on purpose)must be driven into the sea. This article shows how the KGB assisted Arafat and made him into a puppet for thier own purposes. I fail to see how you can continue to support these murderers and liars. As for your comment regarding whether or not there is any such thing as Palestine or the Palestinian people, before the country of Israel was created by the UN there was no country of Palestine. The land had been ruled by many conquerers. When Israel was created the leaders of the Arab world told the "Palestinians" to leave thier homes and wait out what they expected to be a short war to win the territory and drive the Jews into the sea. Those that listened to thier leaders lost thier homes. Those who chose to remain did not. Jordan should have taken in the displaced people as they helped create the problem. Instead they put them in camps to become eternal refugees. And Jordan stole a good portion of thier land. But again as I stated earlier, everyone convieniently forgets that part of it. |
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| nztrekkie | Sep 24 2003, 09:34 PM Post #12 |
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that's for real - I have NEVER heard that story before, that it was the ARAB leaders who suggested the Palestinians leave their homes, so the Arabs could win a war for them. Sound a bit far fetched to me - when has this "please leave so we can have a war" tactic ever been used before I wonder. Are you aware of well documented terrorist gangs led by eventual Israeli PM Begin who butchered villages such as Deir Yassen in order to frighten the Palestinains off their land ? Begin has been officially quoted as calling the butchering of hundreds of Palestinian civilians....."a good days work" or something like that. David Ben Gurion compared either Begin (or Yitzak Shamir) to Hitler, such was his brutality - somehow, i think it a little fanciful to suggest the Palestinians simply walked off their land. yes, I am also aware that other Arab nations have not always been saints. "The Israelis must be driven to the sea" is an extremist position and was said decades ago. Without asking everyone over there - I would say it is a very much minority view these days amongst mainstream Palestinians. |
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| Minuet | Sep 24 2003, 10:12 PM Post #13 |
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Check out some history books, instead of the crap you read on the Pro Palestinian web sites. Since you are so persistent I have a question. Why do you pick apart Israel and gloss over Arab atrocities. Yes, you are aware that other Arab countries have not been saints. Is this all you have to say???????? And to say that mainstream Palestinians have not been indoctrinated to believe that they should drive the Jews into the sea is just ignoring the facts that are right in front of you. Edited by Minuet - NZ if you saw this before I edited I got confused which of the two threads I was on sorry! |
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