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| nztrekkie | Sep 23 2003, 09:30 PM Post #1 |
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Bush or Chirac (and Schroeder, Putin, Cretin............) Bush knows Iraq is only going to get more out of control before it gets better - if it gets better and he knows Chirac knows this too. Chirac knows Bush has a year to run up to his re-election and now, people realise that Mr Bush's re-election is not "a fait accompli" by any means. But Chirac can not be seen to be being obstinate or stubborn and neither can Bush. But Bush can not (will not?) be seen to admit that the invasion of Iraq was not handled as well as it should have been (this will also not look good in election year)and so can not hand over TOO much responsibilty to the UN. But he needs to get help in Iraq otherwise Iraq may bury him completely. As benetil says " exciting !! " watch this space. |
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| benetil | Sep 23 2003, 10:15 PM Post #2 |
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I think that the United States needs to maintain political control in Iraq for the time being. I am confident that once Iraq is on a more solid footing (a bit farther along in areas such as ratifying a Constitution, organizing an effective Iraqi police force to maintain civil order for the Iraqi people, etc.) that the US/Paul Bremer will turn over more of the duties of government to the Iraqi people. Over the next few months, I'm also hopeful that we'll see more of the world's democracies working together (whether under the UN or otherwise) in the long-term interest of Iraq. I think that President Bush's address to the UN today (Tuesday) was a good first step in that direction. The one-on-one meeting between President Bush and President Chiraq was also a very good development - even if the two leaders don't agree with one another on every topic, at least they're having constructive, meaningful dialog. |
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| Swidden | Sep 24 2003, 01:56 AM Post #3 |
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I think we will see Chirac and friends finding a way to get the UN involved at this point. From what I heard of his address to the UN my hunch is that he rather be in the picture as a player than risk being sidelined and not get anything for France out of the scenario. He still wants to make Bush look bad if he can. |
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| jschmitty | Sep 24 2003, 08:27 AM Post #4 |
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What I don't understand is why don't they introduce a resolution on Iraq themselves to the Security Council giving the UN more power and see if the US vetos? It might be a way of saving face for both sides. |
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| 24thcenstfan | Sep 24 2003, 08:57 AM Post #5 |
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You’re right on both accounts. Chirac spent the first part of his speech once again lecturing the US about not getting Security Council approval before moving into Iraq. :rolleyes: The second half was spent singing the virtues of a multilateral approach with UN involvement in the rebuilding of Iraq. Chirac did say that the US would of course lead the reconstruction (insert Chirac kissing US butt symbol). Also, I believe Chirac wants a permanent UN inspection team in Iraq (not positive on this last part…I started to tune him out toward the end).I tried to find a copy of the speech for you but only found a French copy. If I find an English version I will come back and post it. Perhaps this speech will be translated soon. http://www.elysee.fr/magazine/deplacement_.../NY030922E.html Here is Bush’s speech also: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20...20030923-4.html |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Sep 24 2003, 09:05 AM Post #6 |
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Chirac will blink first. In fact, he already has by saying that France will not exercise its veto power in the UN. As for "Iraq is only going to get more out of control before it gets better", once again you're not actually seeing what is going on there. Iraq is (and has been) getting better for months now. We're building a thousand schools, power is restored, infrasturcture is being repaired, and four of five Iraqis are glad Americans are there. Even the latest leftist Gallup poll (I know how much you love polls) shows that two-thirds of Iraqis are glad Saddam is gone (only 8% are not, and they are most likely Baathists). So, to summarize: Things are improving, have been, and shall continue to do so. The French have already blinked, and will continue to submit to our moral and physical superiority. They need us a lot more than we need them. Our boycott of France and French products hurt their economy greatly this year, even though it was unofficial. |
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| mrbastard | Sep 24 2003, 12:36 PM Post #7 |
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ha ha...what a truly pointless question! the French don't blink, they have their eyes permanently closed as there's always someone ready to land one on their stinking noses! us English are unfortunate enough to live just across a small channel from the stinking garlic eating frogs, and we know exactly what they're at! they are cowardly, manipulative, self serving mercenaries, who would sell their own grand-mother if the price were right...they are allies to everyone and friends to no-one...think about it... |
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| gvok | Sep 24 2003, 12:39 PM Post #8 |
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It's interesting that we don't get many French people on these message boards. Is that because Trek was never introduced to French markets? |
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| ImpulseEngine | Sep 24 2003, 03:42 PM Post #9 |
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:lol: ROTFLMAO!
:lol: MrB, you've been missed around here!
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Also, I believe Chirac wants a permanent UN inspection team in Iraq (not positive on this last part…I started to tune him out toward the end).
:lol: ROTFLMAO!
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