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Wesley Clark on the issues
Topic Started: Sep 22 2003, 09:58 PM (550 Views)
nztrekkie
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Admiralbill_gomec
Sep 24 2003, 10:05 AM
But you have to have some core beliefs. This comes down to character. If you can't espouse them without your handlers, you shouldn't be running for president.

I agree bill - you do need core values and beliefs as a politician.

You're actually doing a far better job of being Bush that Bush is - why don't you give him a hand ????
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Admiralbill_gomec
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I do. I stand up and applaud him every time he walks into the room.
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benetil
Sep 24 2003, 12:04 PM
Hi, Admiralbill_gomec.

President Bush certainly is in trouble - and he knows it! Rest assured, Mr. Carl Rove is one busy strategist these days! Mr. Ed Gillespie probably isn't resting too well at night, either! Ha!!

As far as Judge Pickering goes, President Bush isn't resubmitting Judge Pickering in order to gain popularity or to demonstrate his dominance. President Bush is trying (desperately) to keep the conservative elements of his party happy. With his domestic spending, President Bush has raised the eyebrows of the conservatives. He (Bush) can't afford to "duck and cover" - he has to do something to keep the conservatives in his corner.

Judge Pickering was voted down (along party lines) when the Democrats were in control of the Senate. He (Pickering) may well be confirmed this time (along party lines).

As far as the poll results that you would like to dismiss, I would tell you that I believe the true message in the poll is that Americans are looking for an alternative - ANY REASONABLE ALTERNATIVE - to President Bush. I believe that the vote "for Gen. Clark" is as much or more against President Bush as it is for Gen. Clark. And President Bush's job approval rating has fallen from 70%+ approval to just 50% approval (according to the polls that you would dismiss).

I've taken statistics, but I would not call myself a statistician. I work with large data sets every day - proper methodology, proper analysis. I also build financial models that we use to forecast and run our business. I know that a random sample - properly handled - can accurately model a larger data set or population. I also know how easy it is to sway and manipulate (accidentally or intentionally) the data, too - and then there's that whole "collinear results" problem that catches me from time to time. I also know that a good poll can provide meaningful insight - but I understand how easy it is to question or dispute the results of any poll.

Oh puhleeze.

I'm sorry I didn't respond sooner, but the tears were rolling down my face from laughter. No offense, but your "analysis" is still based on feelings, while mine was based on events.

(P.S. "Karl" Rove)

Judge Pickering: Why would President Bush have to appeal to his conservative base. They LIKE HIM and aren't going anywhere. To where would they go? Clark? Lieberman? Clinton? While conservatives (like myself and most of my local RNC chapter) are not thrilled with the spending, we recognize its necessity. We have strongly petitioned that he lift steel tariffs. Conservatives will NOT stay home in 2004. Why? Because they learned their lesson in 1992. Pickering had 54 votes for confirmation, but because of this "gentlemen's filibuster" he needed 60. Fortunately current Senate Majority Leader Frist has some balls that Trent Lott didn't. He's going for the REAL filibuster, so the left had better rent some cots.

I see you have taken statistics, and you even said how easy it was to dispute the results (and SKEW the results), yet you still seemed to cling to the veracity of the CNN/McPaper/Gallup poll. As I've said to a lot of my Democrat friends... think with your brain, don't feel with your heart.
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Admiralbill_gomec
Sep 24 2003, 06:26 PM
I do. I stand up and applaud him every time he walks into the room.

he's going to need more than a clap in the debates !
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benetil
Sep 23 2003, 08:44 PM
nztrekkie
Sep 23 2003, 08:40 PM
don't forget the margin of error works BOTH ways - Clarke might actually be 6% ahead of Bush !!!

Hi, nztrekkie.

I like your way of looking at the "margin" much better than the way that I was looking at it.

President Bush is in trouble!

just saw Clarke speak in person for the first time - not bad, a bit nervous and tentative, but after a bit of time on the hustings I think he'll develop nicely.

Clarke / Dean ticket from the Dems maybe ????????

(haven't heard Dean speak yet.)
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nztrekkie
Sep 24 2003, 09:38 PM
just saw Clarke speak in person for the first time - not bad, a bit nervous and tentative, but after a bit of time on the hustings I think he'll develop nicely.

Clarke / Dean ticket from the Dems maybe ????????

(haven't heard Dean speak yet.)

Hi, nztrekkie.

I agree with you - General Clark certainly has a presence. He is intelligent and articulate. I think you're right - a little more time "in the spotlight" will allow him to mature a bit - and will also let the American public decide if he's a guy that they can imagine in the White House.

You're exactly right - a Gov. Dean/Gen. Clark ticket was the first rumor that I heard. Now, I'm hearing more and more about a Clinton connection to Gen. Clark (very unappealing to me!).

Governor Dean is a politician. He's a physician. He's a fairly good speaker. His image (at the moment) places him among the "hyper anti-Bush" crowd.
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