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Another take on the abortion issue ....
Topic Started: Sep 22 2003, 12:49 PM (201 Views)
Wichita
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,97925,00.html

Since hearing of the "abortion pill", I have been concerned about this result. It still is a MEDICAL PROCEDURE despite the impression given that it is quick and easy. This young lady seemed to follow directions, but yet ended up with a bad result. What about all those people who can't quite figure out how to take one pill a day or use a condom correctly? Will they be able to handle this multi-step process?

Abortions may be safer than they once were, but they are not without risks and they are more unregulated than much of the public knows. When I lived in New York state, a woman went for an abortion despite being 8 months pregnant. The doctor severed the arm of the baby in the womb, but accomplished little else. Mother and child survived.

Yes, aspirin may be more dangerous than this drug, but, speaking as someone who worked professionally with young women for nearly 20 years, I would rather try to defend myself in this instance than from a death due to aspirin. The rules about giving medication to a minor are clear cut and the penalties for misuse are severe. There are more protections for an adult to take a child to get an abortion without a parent's consent than to give them an asprin.

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"Wichita
Posted on Sep 22 2003, 10:49 AM "
It still is a MEDICAL PROCEDURE despite the impression given that it is quick and easy.


Well, there's your answer Wichita "MEDICAL PROCEDURE." That's how it should be viewed from beginning to end. Moral aspects? That's between the individual and their faith. Liberty and Rights? There are no Constitutional prohibitions against regulating something.
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Dandandat
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Sep 22 2003, 01:49 PM
Abortions may be safer than they once were,

Maybe abortion shouldn’t be safer then it once was. The safer and safer you make something the easyer you make the chose to go through with it.

Now I am not saying we should stop trying to make abortion safer (I don’t want to see people hurt) but I just feel the level of thought that has to go into the decision is becoming lower and lower and that is a BIG problem.
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Lilac
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Abortion should be as safe as it can possibly be. It may make it easier for people to choose to go through with it but atleast no woman will die in the process.
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doctortobe
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I would want to hear about the warning that the girl received before starting this treatment. I personally think that this whole abortion pill concept is dangerous. I'm not trying to open a debate about abortion itself, but having it in a pill form can create a dangerous and in this case deadly misconception about the danger that can result from taking it.

Today's America is drug crazy. A pill is 100% safe and will solve all of life's problems in our minds. People don't realize that if you take a pill to destroy a fetus, you still must rid yourself of it. Dandan was right about one point. The decision to have an abortion has become exponentially easier. Unfortunately, the danger of the proceedure has not.
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benetil
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Any medication, drug or medical procedure has risks. Dedicated scientists have spent their lives developing better techniques, better medicines, etc. to increase the effectiveness of treatment and to reduce our risks.

When a woman is faced with having a abortion, the last thing she should have to factor into the decision making process is a perilous, dangerous procedure. As long as abortions are legal procedures, the procedure should be made as safe and as painless as possible to the patient (in my opinion).

I sense a desire (just my perception) among some of you guys to design an abortion procedure (making it as dangerous, as physically painful, as psychologically traumatic as possible) that will, in and of itself, deter a woman from making the decision to have a legal abortion.
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24thcenstfan
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All drugs have side effects or can be potentially lethal…even relatively benign anti-biotics (penicillin for example). However, I am surprised the FDA even approved RU-486. It has always been my opinion that the drug needed to be studied further before approving it for use in the US.

Even before RU-486, the “morning after pills” were just as controversial in spite of there being a reduced risk to the woman taking them. The pills (3 or 4 specific BC pills) simply made a woman’s menstrual cycle begin. I was a Pharmacy Tech. for 4 years while I was an undergrad., and on two occasions I saw a pharmacist refuse to fill the Rx (for personal/religious reasons). He would simply tell the customer that we were out of stock. For the most part though, the Rx was filled…but with great reluctance on the part of the pharmacists.

I view the morning after pills and RU-486 a little differently though in regards to safety. The morning after pills require little supervision of the patient and the risk is minimal (this in no way means that physical or emotional side effects haven't or will not occur). RU-486 on the other hand can result in the case example that Wichita provided. IMHO, I think for safety reasons, if a person wants an abortion they should go to a clinic for the procedure, and not use RU-486 (that is until it is made safer). Also, people who opt for abortions (and use RU-486) are obviously further along than they would be “the morning after,” therefore making the risk all the more great.
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doctortobe
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I am not advocating making anything more dangerous or painful. I am saying that this pill gives the illusion of making abortion safer. Did you see the statistics in the article? 5-8 percent of the people who take this medicine program have to have surgery to stop the bleeding. That does not sound safe or painless to me. Add into that the fact that you will have dead and decaying tissue in an environment that is perfect for bacterial growth and I see more then a bit of danger.

When you take a pill of penicillin, do you consider that your immune system may have developed an allergic reaction to it the last time it was in your system? Do you consider that you may go into shock and die? No, it is a pill and it will make you better. What of all the dietary pills that are unregulated by the FDA? Do you consider that there may be things in these pills that are harmful to your body? No, it is a pill and pills cure you.

That is the mindset that I believe many women will have when they see that abortion is now available in a pill form. This is not something that is confined to women or abortion however. The vast majority of America is under the impression that introducing drugs to your body carries a zero percent chance of anything going wrong.

Am I against abortion? Yes. Is this my reasoning behind being against this medication? No.
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"benetil
Posted on Sep 22 2003, 04:15 PM "
I sense a desire (just my perception) among some of you guys to design an abortion procedure (making it as dangerous, as physically painful, as psychologically traumatic as possible) that will, in and of itself, deter a woman from making the decision to have a legal abortion


I do not think anyone is advocating intentionally making it a hazardous procedure. What is clear is that whether it is through the use of pharmacological or mechanical means, an abortion is not without risk. Some are concerned that it is already too easy to obtain an abortion and use it as a form of after the fact contraception and that advances are making it all that much more convenient.
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Wichita
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Sep 23 2003, 03:53 AM
.... Did you see the statistics in the article? 5-8 percent of the people who take this medicine program have to have surgery to stop the bleeding. That does not sound safe or painless to me. Add into that the fact that you will have dead and decaying tissue in an environment that is perfect for bacterial growth and I see more then a bit of danger.

When you take a pill of penicillin, do you consider that your immune system may have developed an allergic reaction to it the last time it was in your system? Do you consider that you may go into shock and die? No, it is a pill and it will make you better. What of all the dietary pills that are unregulated by the FDA? Do you consider that there may be things in these pills that are harmful to your body? No, it is a pill and pills cure you.

That is the mindset that I believe many women will have when they see that abortion is now available in a pill form. This is not something that is confined to women or abortion however. The vast majority of America is under the impression that introducing drugs to your body carries a zero percent chance of anything going wrong.


This is the attitude that concerns me as well. People can talk themselves into pretty much anything when they want to do so. Many people have hailed the "abortion pill" as a way to take care of the "situation in the privacy of your own home" ... "no one will find out" ... "no need for surgery" ...

Problem is that it is even MORE important that prompt follow-up care is provided. If you chose that particular method because you thought you could avoid surgery, for example, are you going to rush back for a check-up because of the bleeding or "wait a few days and hope things improve" ... especially if you are young and inexperienced?
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