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"we'll get the baddies no matter how long....."
Topic Started: Sep 21 2003, 10:03 PM (720 Views)
nztrekkie
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Dandandat
Sep 22 2003, 09:53 PM
Ok fine - so what is your point, what does this have to do with this lady? She got caught and thats fine, now we need to fix the corruption of the big fish. and ...

my point is that American govts (and probably others around the world too, but the Whitehouse is the best at it I think) are very good at saying one thing and doing another. This is a good definition of double standards surely.

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nztrekkie
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Admiralbill_gomec
Sep 22 2003, 09:57 PM
No it isn't... this is just trying to belittle another nation.

hi ya bill - just to let you know that the name Palestine comes from the ancient state of Syria-Palestina which was named by the Romans in 135 AD.

Nothing to do with this I know, but you said once that Palestine was a name given to that region by the British and it seems the name is far older than any time the British had any influence there.
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24thcenstfan
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nztrekkie
Sep 22 2003, 10:51 PM
don't think there's anything wrong with the law - it just needs enforcing without DOUBLE STANDARDS !


NZ…I can’t believe that I am agreeing with you. Unfortunately, the real world doesn’t work that way. Those with money and power will always have more resources to draw upon when they find themselves on the wrong side of the law.

In Fippinger’s case, she broke the law. Yes she exercised her right to freedom of speech…however, the manner in which she chose to exercise that freedom had consequences. You know the old saying, “You do the crime, you do the time?” Well her age should not excuse her from having to take responsibility for breaking US Law.

I have a feeling the U.S. Government will eventually plea this case down to a minimum of charges and fines. However, they are not going to let her forget for one minute that her actions have consequences...nor should they.

In the end, the prohibition against trading with Iraq will be lifted. Regardless, this does not negate that the law is on the books and has to be enforced until then.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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nztrekkie
Sep 22 2003, 10:06 PM
Admiralbill_gomec
Sep 22 2003, 09:57 PM
No it isn't... this is just trying to belittle another nation.

hi ya bill - just to let you know that the name Palestine comes from the ancient state of Syria-Palestina which was named by the Romans in 135 AD.

Nothing to do with this I know, but you said once that Palestine was a name given to that region by the British and it seems the name is far older than any time the British had any influence there.

The region was NAMED Palestine by the British after World War I. Check your history.

So what if the area used to be "Syria-Palestina" in the past? Hell, America was named after Amerigo Vespucci (the cartographer). Should that be a concern.

So yes, you are trying to both deflect your meaning AND belittle a nation.

By the way, we NEVER SOLD arms to Iran after 1979. We did TRADE arms for hostages (or did you forget). Not one of our prouder moments, but it was done.

Are you going to make fun of us AGAIN, NZ?
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Just an observation, but we'd have far fewer lawbreakers if we reinstituted flogging...
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Dandandat
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Time to put something here
nztrekkie
Sep 22 2003, 11:02 PM
my point is that American govts (and probably others around the world too, but the Whitehouse is the best at it I think) are very good at saying one thing and doing another. This is a good definition of double standards surely.

Despite the fact that you believe that all Americans are stupid, the Americans on this board know full well what your points are. and they always seem to be about showing how America is the worst offender of every bad thing in this world. But no you don’t have a chip on your sholder.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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As I've said, NZ suffers from nation envy.
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nztrekkie
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24thcenstfan
Sep 22 2003, 10:14 PM
nztrekkie
Sep 22 2003, 10:51 PM
don't think there's anything wrong with the law - it just needs enforcing without DOUBLE STANDARDS !


NZ…I can’t believe that I am agreeing with you. Unfortunately, the real world doesn’t work that way. Those with money and power will always have more resources to draw upon when they find themselves on the wrong side of the law.

In Fippinger’s case, she broke the law. Yes she exercised her right to freedom of speech…however, the manner in which she chose to exercise that freedom had consequences. You know the old saying, “You do the crime, you do the time?” Well her age should not excuse her from having to take responsibility for breaking US Law.

I have a feeling the U.S. Government will eventually plea this case down to a minimum of charges and fines. However, they are not going to let her forget for one minute that her actions have consequences...nor should they.

In the end, the prohibition against trading with Iraq will be lifted. Regardless, this does not negate that the law is on the books and has to be enforced until then.

all that is true of course - however, a little common sense would go a long way surely ?

would you want to take a law enforcement officer off the 9/11 case in order to persue this lady's infringment for example ?
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doctortobe
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Is the American government the king of double standards? I seriously doubt it. That title goes to the Soviet Union. All the talk about revolution, classless society, and all the other communist propoganda was in place so that a handful of people (quite literally if you have 5 fingers) could rule the lives on hundreds of millions of people.

In America at least the rich and powerful get taken to task most of the time. Do you seriously think that the Democrats will sit idly by and let a Republican get away with something illegal? Do you think a Republican would let a Democrat? We have the perfect ethics system in that we have our two major parties going over each other with a fine tooth comb trying to find out dirt on each other.
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nztrekkie
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Admiralbill_gomec
Sep 22 2003, 10:21 PM

By the way, we NEVER SOLD arms to Iran after 1979. We did TRADE arms for hostages (or did you forget). Not one of our prouder moments, but it was done.

Are you going to make fun of us AGAIN, NZ?

well no, not really, but I would point out that the source of your personally chosen role model quote below - Ronald Reagan - stated over and over again in his biography "An American Life" that the US did NOT trade arms for hostages.

who's right then ?
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Admiralbill_gomec
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I am. I'm always right.

So, any other condescending remarks you want to make to us tonight?
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nztrekkie
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Admiralbill_gomec
Sep 22 2003, 10:21 PM

By the way, we NEVER SOLD arms to Iran after 1979. We did TRADE arms for hostages (or did you forget). Not one of our prouder moments, but it was done.


Actually, thinking of Ronnie's book I know he said in there that the US DID SELL arms illegally to Iran for a fact.

This is because he mentions that the PROFITS from the arms sales were secretly diverted to the Contra rebels by Oliver North with the full knowledge of John Poindexter. Poindexter was then sacked by Reagan.

Wrapt up in this little affair was Israel too.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Errrr... not quite. But believe what you want to believe.

I'm going to bed.
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nztrekkie
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Admiralbill_gomec
Sep 22 2003, 10:48 PM
I am. I'm always right.

So, any other condescending remarks you want to make to us tonight?

no, but i would note that you do at least maintain a sense of humour unlike other people here.

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Admiralbill_gomec
Sep 22 2003, 10:51 PM
Errrr... not quite. But believe what you want to believe.

I'm going to bed.

pleasant dreams :wow: :wow: :wow:
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