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| benetil | Sep 21 2003, 07:01 PM Post #16 |
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Hi, nztrekkie. Yes - Wes Clark is already leading (by 2 percentage points in the poll I saw) all of the other Democratic candidates who are in the race at this time (Howard Dean had been the leader). General Clark's speedy lead probably points to the fact that Democratic voters are still looking for a candidate they can support. In other words, not to take anything away from Wes Clark, the other Democratic candidates weren't really "bonding" with the party loyals. Embarrassing. |
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| benetil | Sep 22 2003, 05:44 PM Post #17 |
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CNN - Lou Dobbs program (I'm pretty much a Lou Dobbs groupie, only show on CNN that I view) Political Analyst Bill Schneider reports that: Gen. Clark leads the Democratic field in the latest polls with 22% of the likely Democratic vote at this point in the race - - the next "candidate" is Gov. Dean with only 13%! Whoa - what a lead! In other exciting poll results that Bill Schneider covered, respondents favored Gen. Clark over President Bush by 3 percentage points (although within the margin of error in this poll, the results are nonetheless stunning). President Bush's job approval rating has slid from 71% in April to 50% now. President Bush had enjoyed relatively higher approval ratings among male voters - now men don't rate President Bush any higher, on average, than female voters. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Sep 22 2003, 10:30 PM Post #18 |
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Sorry, but it is 59% now (I know how it breaks your heart)... it has never been as low as 50%. You mean someone still watches CNN?? Don't you have real news stations? Bummer! You have to 1) consider the source, and 2) consider the question when snap polls like this are taken. First of all, CNN-USA Today-Gallup is not exactly Bush-friendly. I would call them as biased as a New York Times poll. Second, giving Wesley Clark that kind of support when PEOPLE KNOW NOTHING ABOUT HIM YET is ludicrous, but not surprising knowing the lack of education in the American voter. Wesley Clark has already told two major whoppers in the past few weeks. The first: claiming that the Bush Administration called him before he went on CNN to show support for the war (this was back in April when this happened). Turns out that he was called by a CANADIAN group with no ties to any government. The second was yesterday: Clark claimed that he would have been a Republican if only Karl Rove had returned his calls. Turns out, after checking White House phone logs, that CLARK NEVER CALLED ROVE. NEVER. Add to that his flip-flop on voting for the war. Clark is toast. |
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| Swidden | Sep 23 2003, 01:59 AM Post #19 |
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Gen. Clark's status will either rise or fall as his "positions" on the issues become clearer. If his stance is similar to his ramblings on how he would have voted on invading Iraq at the end of last week, I doubt we will ever have a clear picture of wear he stands. Another factor that came out is he claims to have supported Nixon in the 70's, Reagan & Bush the elder in the 80's and early 90's and Clinton through the remainder of the 90's. Bush v. Gore, I have not heard his stance there yet-- he may not have decided yet (or voted in Florida and had two hanging chads on his ballot).
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| benetil | Sep 23 2003, 07:09 AM Post #20 |
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Swidden: if incoherent ramblings in any way determined which candidate will surge to the top, I don't think that our current President would have received the nomination of the Republican party over a person like John McCain. Having clear-cut positions on issues doesn't seem to be a critical factor, as far as I can tell, either. I think, in large measure, it boils down to which candidate can secure the financing necessary to run. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Sep 23 2003, 09:31 AM Post #21 |
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"Having clear-cut positions on issues doesn't seem to be a critical factor, as far as I can tell, either." But Benetil, if you'd cast aside your partisan dislike for George W. Bush, you'll know that he did have clear cut positions on all issues, including abortion, when he ran for president. I met him back in 1994 when he was running for Governor (he was in Houston at Barbara Bush Elementary School in June 1994). He made a speech that focused on four distinct points: schools, taxes, jobs, and families. He ran on those four issues and won. He did the same thing in 2000... focusing on key points and sticking to them, which is why he beat Gore handily in the debates. |
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| Swidden | Sep 23 2003, 06:50 PM Post #22 |
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Benetil, Clark's ramblings aren't incoherent, his problem at the moment appears to be his lack of ability to stake out a position. Also an apparent inability to be sure which President's he supported in elections past. That is something that will hurt a candidate in short order. Bush, for whatever flaws he may have does stake out positions. Howard Dean is staking out his positions (even though I do not necessarily agree with his positions). That's what counts here and where the good General is coming up short at the moment. |
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| benetil | Sep 23 2003, 07:00 PM Post #23 |
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Admiralbill_gomec: here's a link to the USA Today poll that shows President Bush's approval rating at 50% (the poll also shows the significant decline from the 71% approval rating in March). I'm sure that there are some other notable polls, too (that show the 59% statistic that you mentioned). I know that polls offer vague insight and that the results are much like the weather - continually changing. But I thought I would celebrate the results of these polls while I had a chance. For the first time since 2001, I see the President as seriously vulnerable (as far as re-election goes). http://www.usatoday.com/news/polls/tables/...2-bush-poll.htm (I hope I've inserted the link correctly - first time I've done this - I'll try to correct it if I've botched it) Also - I'm certainly no Republican, but my general disapproval of President Bush has basis in substance - I disagree with many of his and his administration's policies. I think there's more at play than bitter partisanship (or treason ) when proud, loyal Americans part company with the ultra-Conservative agenda.By the way, I like former First Lady Barbara Bush very much (thought of her when you mentioned that school). She's a class act. I was also moved by former President Bush's book (kind of a memoir) of letters and correspondence. He's obviously a genuinely a good person who cares about his family and his nation. |
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| mrbastard | Sep 24 2003, 06:25 PM Post #24 |
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as an Englishman, I can't stand anything that comes out the mouth of anyone with the surname Kennedy... :angry: in recent times, they are the sole biggest pain in the arse do-gooders that have stuck their noses in where they're not wanted: Northern Ireland. :angry: I hope it was the SAS that offed the IRA supporting turds in the 60's, not the KGB, CIA, mafia, or anyone else.
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) when proud, loyal Americans part company with the ultra-Conservative agenda.

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