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| 24thcenstfan | Dec 8 2003, 11:21 PM Post #16 |
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I think some of the chemistry from the onset had to do with the TNG/DS9 connection at the beginning of the DS9 series (Emissary). The presence of the Enterprise, Sisko and his son traveling to the station from Earth, the Picard visit and O'Brien joining the cast. Emissary had a "passing of the torch" feel to it. This facilitated my emotional connection with the cast as well. |
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| 24thcenstfan | Dec 8 2003, 11:23 PM Post #17 |
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Wichita, I really enjoyed reading your synopsis. I too like Stargate and wish that B&B would take a few pointers from the show. As a matter of fact, I have the episode where Blalock guest stars on tape right now. I plan on watching it later this week. I missed it the first time go around. So, I will soon see just what Blalock's acting range is…should I be scared?
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Dec 8 2003, 11:32 PM Post #18 |
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Blalock's acting range is (I'm afraid) limited to emotionless characters who look good in tight clothing. I don't want to give it away, 24, and maybe you'll formulate a different opinion of her, but I wasn't too impressed. |
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| Fesarius | Dec 9 2003, 07:14 AM Post #19 |
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24thcenstfan et al., Please do comment on J. Blalock's range, if you are willing. I haven't seen her act apart from ENT, and would be curious to know how she comes off.
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| captain_proton_au | Dec 9 2003, 08:06 AM Post #20 |
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I am My local station pulled Stargate off over summer and didnt tell the viewers a thing. The last show was thursday night two weeks ago , and it wasnt the last ep of the series, it wasnt advertised as the final, and no mention of it being the last was broadcast at the end?? A week later we got crappy summer TV shows with no explanation???. as for my opinion ( I know you are all eagerly awaiting it) I like Stargate, I think the stories are better written than Ent, but the characters in Stargate can be a bit dull, I think Ent does a better job with characterization ( just ). |
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| jjtrek | Dec 9 2003, 03:05 PM Post #21 |
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Not only did I get into Stargate SG-1, but got my hubby involved in it too! Stargate vs. Enterprise: Stargate is character driven and we got to know the characters rather early on in this series. By now, they are old friends and we not only know them, but care for them. It is now the middle of Season 3 of Enterprise and how much do we actually KNOW about these characters! The only one I really care about is the one we don't see very often and the one with the most legs! As far as Jolene Blalock is concerned, the best actors are the ones that have been stage trained. Jolene was a model, not an actress and it shows. She can't act her way out of a paper bag! Bakula is an excellent actor (I've seen him elsewhere and not just Quantum Leap either) but he seems very uncomfortable with the Archer role. This is coming across in his acting and that's not a good sign. I've heard that Enterprise's ratings fell again. It seems that this series being on the air is like beating a dead horse. After a while, you can't tell that the huge lump of biological material was ever a horse at all. As an original fan of this Franchise, it saddens me that Enterprise is like this. I'm glad there are shows like Stargate which can carry on a good science fiction tradition. Julia |
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| 24thcenstfan | Dec 26 2003, 10:40 PM Post #22 |
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Well, I finally saw Stargate episode Birthright, guest staring Jolene Blalock. I am sad to say that the combination of Blalock’s performance and Christopher Judge’s writing skills on this episode resulted in what appeared to me to be a poorly written and poorly performed short soap opera. The whole episode was extremely weak. -The dialogue had a different rhythm and style. Normally, there is a certain amount of playfulness coming from O’Neill (with his funny anecdotes and off the cuff style of humor) and a certain amount of what I would call stoical or passive humor coming from Teal’c. The comedy is usually more subtle and fits in with the storyline. However, in Birthright, Teal’c displayed a goofy humor and the constant smiling seemed out of character with his usual demeanor (lacked a genuine quality and came off as cheesy). In other words, the dialogue was still somewhat playful, it just lacked timing and substance. Also in this episode, O’Neill was basically relegated to such awe-inspiring lines as, “we have penises.” O’Neill was referring to Carter being able to meet with Ishta and not the men. And Teal’c…“Ishta you have a choice.” (Playing of dramatic music... :rolleyes: :rolleyes: ). ***Soap opera alert*** The hook-up between Ishta and Teal’c was a given the second the foreplay sparring began. The fight scene between the two did not add anything to the story except to act as the typical foreplay scene (one similar to the fight scene between Arnold Schwarzenegger and Brigitte Nielsen in the movie Red Sonja). You know the stereotypical strong woman who has “issues” with men and will not submit unless the appropriate strong man can defeat or match her in battle… kind of crapola. I suppose there is a Darwinian aspect to this type of sparring that is often portrayed on TV, and can be translated into other types of modern day mating behavior. I think you are less likely to see a man and a woman physically fighting each other to win each other over, and more likely to see a sparring match of will power, intellect and personality. However, one must also look at the situation in a historical, theatrical and factual context as well. Sorry, just went off on a major tangent there. Anyway...the fight scene was poorly choreographed and I could pick out every time the stunt double took over for Blalock. Not to sound too stereotypical against my own kind, but a female (even a female jaffa (with increased strength and skill)) probably could not have beaten a man (male jaffa) the size of and with the skill that Teal’c possesses. To put Ishta up against Teal’c was a little unrealistic. ---The acting in this episode was also substandard. Blalock basically had the same pouty look and monotonous voice that she displays on Enterprise. Her acting range would appear to be extremely limited. I saw Blalock on The Late Late Show a while back, and she basically had the personality of a wet napkin in the interview. Christopher Judge as Teal’c always has a monotonous voice, but it works for him and I do not find it annoying like I do with Blalock. Also, Judge doesn’t speak in a monotone way in interviews (normal conversation). He is actually very spirited and almost goofy. All in all, I would just as soon not see any more Enterprise regulars on Stargate again. I don’t think that I have ever nit-picked a Stargate episode the way that I had to with Birthright. I don’t know if it was because I was already biased against Blalock or because I don’t like seeing recognizable guest star appearances on already established shows…or something entirely different. What I do know is guest appearances by some of the Enterprise cast equals bad luck for other series. That goes for Billingsley too. He was on an episode of Angel not too long ago and I was not impressed. But that is another series and another topic. So, I wont go there.
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| Wichita | Dec 27 2003, 07:14 AM Post #23 |
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I too found the fight scene ridiculous. While there are many jobs that I believe women can do as well as, or even better, than men, hand-to-hand combat with a much larger opponent isn't one of them. He looked like a guy trying to score points by holding back and making the opponenet look good. Something no one would do in real battle... I did like the idea behind the story although I agree the story itself wasn't well written. Blalock may have been better off trying a character totally unlike T'Pol to show that she has some type of range. I know a number of people who love her portrayal of T'Pol and talk of the subtle nuances. With the exception of a couple of scenes where she is almost making fun of the typical Vulcan stoicism, I have yet to see it. She may not be as bad as she was when she first started, but I wouldn't call her good. I saw part of the episode where Billingsley was on Stargate. I was surprised to see that he wasn't the main guest star - despite the fact Enterprise was already on the air for a season. I didn't really see enough to know how he was however. |
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| starbase63 | Dec 27 2003, 12:14 PM Post #24 |
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I too have only seen maybe one or two episodes of SG-1, but my wife bought me the deluxe edition of the original movie for Christmas (forgot to mention it in my list) so maybe next time I see an episode I won't have the "coming in in the middle of the story" feeling. Just need to know who's who and so forth...Richard Dean Anderson plays Kurt Russel's character, yes?
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| Fesarius | Dec 27 2003, 01:07 PM Post #25 |
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24thcenstfan, Thanks for the feedback (esp. on Blalock). I might get a chance to see this series as well one day!
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| Wichita | Dec 29 2003, 12:03 PM Post #26 |
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And my obsession with this show continues ...
It's very entertaining to watch a show skipping season to season and back. The only way I can tell sometimes which season the episode it from is by the color of Richard Dean Anderson's hair. On a weekend episode I saw, Michael Shanks guest stars as Daniel Jackson trying to help O'Neill when he is being tortured by a Goau'ld. The scenes between just the two of them were great! (The rest of the show was ok.) Questions of the worth of a life vs. the worth of a soul... Loyalty ... What is "goodness" ... Even what is "educated" ... There is a line in "To Kill a Mockingbird" where a character tell the children that their father is one of the people that society asks to do the hard things that need to be done. O'Neill is definitely one of those characters as well. He recognizes that he is and that he has done what he has been asked although it has cost him personal happiness. In this episode though, he seems to be saying that he is of somewhat less worth as result while Daniel Jackson seems to be saying that he is of greater worth as a result. You have an older, less formally educated character saying he isn't "as good" because he doesn't have the education or spirituality of the younger man. The younger man, in turn, is saying that he admires the older man for his intelligence and unique brand of spirituality. Throughout the scenes the two are yelling and sparring and hard things are said, but it made sense. No "Well, you're the trained diplomat" mumbo jumbo ... On the Enterprise, both these characters would have actually asked how the heck Archer ended up in command - the same thing I have been trying to figure out for 3 years. |
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| somerled | Dec 29 2003, 12:47 PM Post #27 |
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Without going to great detail : my money is on Stargate . I like how the characters are all just a bit flawed - which makes them somewhat easier to relate to than those in Enterprise , TNG , DSP and Voyager in recent years who are way too perfect and heroic for my liking. I've been following Stargate since the first movie and try not to miss an episode - I hear it's incredibly popular here and that we are actually ahead of you Yanks for once. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Dec 29 2003, 04:25 PM Post #28 |
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Ahead of us? How? |
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| Wichita | Dec 30 2003, 01:45 PM Post #29 |
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Bill, I don't know about Australia, but the episode SciFi is hyping for January 9th was shown in England around December 15th. |
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| Swidden | Dec 31 2003, 02:31 AM Post #30 |
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Yep, I'd say it continues. You've abandoned the cute fuzzy beasties for MacGyver in olive drab...
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