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| Admiralbill_gomec | Nov 28 2008, 10:23 AM Post #16 |
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I noticed that the UK turned to knives instead. The problem is, if someone is bent on mayhem he's gonna do it. No gun allowed? How about a bomb instead... and yes, it does happen. I also fully understand Fire's reluctance to have guns in a school near his daughter. In the hands of an untrained person a gun is very dangerous. On the other hand, the few schools allowing teachers to carry a firearm stipulate that those teachers must have a concealed carry license and still fewer request additional certification. A concealed carry license means you need to undergo firearm safety training and you have to pass. You also undergo a background check. Living in Texas gives me a different perspective than those living in other states or even other countries. I don't give it second notice when I see a paddle holster outline at the small of someone's back under a jacket. A woman in front of me in a checkout line was rummaging around her purse for her wallet, and had a small semi-automatic in an inner side pocket. When we got pulled over last 4th of July weekend for speeding, the cop asked for driver's license and proof of insurance. He then asked if I was carrying a firearm in the car. I said, "No, not on this trip." Edited by Admiralbill_gomec, Nov 28 2008, 10:25 AM.
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| STC | Nov 28 2008, 12:07 PM Post #17 |
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ABG, you're right, the UK does as you put it seem to be turning to knives. We have a growing knife crime problem here. Still, I'd rather have a knife problem than a gun problem. Those same people bent on mayhem, violence, whatever... can do a heck of a lot more damage with a gun than a knife. Hence, I'd rather make it as difficult for them as possible to get a gun. 'Skid, I appreciate what you're saying about how, in cases where a lone gunman has ran amok in a school, university, suburban area etc., that armed citizens could intervene. But the reality is that these incidents are few and far between. In addition, given that, as Franko pointed out, response times from trained armed police are very quick, I don't think this is a case for encouraging civilians to be armed as the benefits would be minimal. However, if civilians were armed en masse i.e. this became part of the culture, I wonder how many more shootings we would have? I can imagine, for example, it would be all too easy for a drunken fight in a pub to escalate beyond brawling and for someone to pull a gun out to 'settle the argument'. Road rage incidents being another case in hand. I think, once the gun culture became entrenched, its just all too easy to pull a gun and fire in order to resolve a conflict. I'd predict the number of shootings would go up, not down, with the additional consequence of people not involved in those conflicts being caught in crossfires. Of course, one could argue that people have more sense than to use guns in these situations, that they could exercise 'self-control'. On the other hand, one could argue that is a naive point of view ![]() I think the risks, and the costs, of having civilians armed with guns outweighs the benefits. Edited by STC, Nov 28 2008, 12:10 PM.
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| fireh8er | Nov 28 2008, 12:54 PM Post #18 |
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Excellent post!
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| RTW | Nov 28 2008, 05:35 PM Post #19 |
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I'm pretty sure that's all gun advocates are expecting. As you said, nothing will deter someone on a bender. Let's do what we can to keep the body count down. |
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| rowskid86 | Nov 28 2008, 08:02 PM Post #20 |
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in Cities police Dept.s might be quick out in the sticks, really is not the case the EMS has better response times and thats around 15 minutes. all we have is to hope a county sheriff is somewhat close, but the thing is the northern townships are hardly ever patroled by county or state police. The Village police can not got outside of the Village, some townships don't even have Police dept's. So can you say the Polcie will be out here within 2 minutes or less? As someone growing up in the UK how the hell would you know any Benefits? All you know is Guns are bad, and your government has taken them away. I know I have stated this already several times but will state it once again and nope to god it gets through. My town, over 70% own firearms, 50% of those owners carry concealed pistols. guess what our crime rate is. just take a wild guess? the worst is Larceny, a handful of about 6 or 7 domestic cases mostly just loud yelling, and last year someone did try to steal a truck that was parked. thats it. Can you say with any certainty that people owning/ carrying guns was not a part of that. and that stats are pretty similar with all the surrounding cities and town. You never grew up with them, and probably don't know a damned thing about them. who are you to say people can't and shouldn't carry? I never force anyone to own, shoot, or carry a gun. who the hell does the anti-gun people think they are saying I can not. |
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| Minuet | Nov 28 2008, 09:22 PM Post #21 |
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Rowskid - crime stats in your area are not low because people carry guns. They are low because you are in a rural area. You are making a connection that just isn't there. We have gun controls in Canada and the fact is that small towns here have extremely low crime rates - without individuals being armed. I think a better example of what gun controls can accomplish would be to look at major cities of similar sizes and compare the crime rates. I think you will be suprised to find out that where there are gun controls the crime rates are lower, not higher. Do the research and see for yourself. |
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| rowskid86 | Nov 29 2008, 11:38 AM Post #22 |
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crime stats in that area are low because people don't carry guns. They are low because you are in a rural area. You are making a connection that just isn't there. see how that works. can you be absolutely 100% sure that it is not because of people carrying? no you can't. people ahving guns is a big part of it. I firmly believe that any kind of gun control is the worst possible thing. the people have the right to bear arms here. to defend themselves or families. I fully believe in armed citizen's, concealed or open. That is my firm belief, and it's never going to change. |
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| Minuet | Nov 29 2008, 02:40 PM Post #23 |
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Ummm DUHHHHH! I covered that off. I wasn't using small towns as an example - just showing you why your anecdotal example was not a good one. People having or not having guns has nothing to do with the low crime rates in rural areas. The low crime rates in those areas have far more to do with small communities just being different then larger ones. So I repeat - don't go spouting statistics on small towns. Do the research for the statistics in large cities where there is always some crime and then compare whether or not gun controls work. I bet you will be a bit suprised when you see the numbers.
You can believe whatever you want. I only stepped into the discussion because you made a false claim. Print some real statistics - don't just make them up to suit your fancy. Edited by Minuet, Nov 29 2008, 02:43 PM.
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| whitestar | Nov 29 2008, 10:48 PM Post #24 |
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Your very emotional on this RTW.. you claim low crime stats and a high level of gun ownership among the general pop are related, without any evidence.. lets see the research, surprisingly, there is research to back your argument. http://goliath.ecnext.com/coms2/gi_0199-6542644/Would-banning-firearms-reduce-murder.html |
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| fireh8er | Nov 29 2008, 10:54 PM Post #25 |
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^^^ I think you mean Rowskid.
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| rowskid86 | Nov 30 2008, 02:12 PM Post #26 |
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Suck my Spock
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I believe the book by John Lott, called more guns less crime is a good source, it was based off 6 or 7 years Of research. check it out from your library. and you'll see where I'm coming from. Whitestar your damn right I am Emotional about this. Being Pro-gun is the most important thing to me in the world. and the Freedom that I have that I love the most and will never give up. |
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