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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 25 2008, 12:43 PM (395 Views) | |
| RTW | Nov 25 2008, 12:43 PM Post #1 |
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This past weekend in Seattle: 11 people shot 1 stabbed 4 dead 0 arrests link How could anyone be shot inside Southcenter mall when it is clearly posted as a "gun free zone"? Can't those gang-bangers read? Funny thing, the Mayor of Seattle wants to make all Seattle public properties gun free zones. I'm pretty sure the area gangs fully support him and can barely contain their excitement over the possibility of having the run of the town. |
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| rowskid86 | Nov 25 2008, 01:41 PM Post #2 |
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"Gun free zones" are the stupidest things possible. because only the law abiding citizen will follow the law, and thugs/criminals will not, and incidents like this continue to happen. the thing is for some stupid reason the retarded people think the Law abiding citizen with a CCW is more a threat than some thug off the street who can come into these zones and start shooting. I'm glad in Michigan we can carry in Malls and other public places. except, government buildings, Schools/daycares, stadiums and such. Personally having a school a "Gun free zone" is possibly the worst thing ever. allow the teachers with CCW's to carry. If in the off chance a gun man comes in, they or other teachers/parents in the building at the time can take the gunman down before they can kill alot more. But there is that lunatic fringe out there that are completely against people defending themselves. |
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| Sgt. Jaggs | Nov 25 2008, 06:09 PM Post #3 |
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How about a Voyager Movie
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My favorite gun free zones were the ones in the cockpits on september 11 !
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| Franko | Nov 25 2008, 09:24 PM Post #4 |
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These crime stats pretty well mirror what's been going up here in Vancouver and the lower mainland. My own suburbia town of Abbotsford is rapidly becoming nick-named "gang murder capital of Canada". Gang-bangers pulled over by cops caught with coke, crack, glocks, and *immigrant sex slaves* are getting a slap on the wrist. One guy just got off for beating a grow-op owner to death (ooh, he claimed self-defence) and is prohibited from owning a handgun or firearms for A WHOLE THREE YEARS. Another G-banger ran over a cops foot (and broke it) and got probation and suspended from driving for A WHOLE YEAR !!!!! If you're from the criminal element, expect leniancy in British Columbia. You see, we have to be patient with young people until they "find themselves". And ethnic criminals have to be cut some slack, because they are........ethnic. I guess. Meanwhile, my lawbiding, family raising, church volunteer friend heads to court this week to try and get some fines taken off due to building code restrictions that he didn't even know about that could cost him thousands of dollars, his home, and his business. |
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| fireh8er | Nov 26 2008, 04:34 AM Post #5 |
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I'm Captain Kirk!
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Do you really believe this?
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| rowskid86 | Nov 27 2008, 11:45 AM Post #6 |
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Yes I do, a Armed society is a polite society. A law abiding citizen who took classes, went through government checks through local, state, and FBI checks, going in front of a gun board, that carry's a concealed gun is Nothing to be afraid of. out of all the people who carry, the likelihood of them commiting a crime is so rare. out of millions who carry, the amount who do infact commit a serious crime with that weapon is under a hundred in the past 10 YEARS. thats 10 years and under 100, out of several millions. How many school and college campus shooting could have been prevented or the amount killed lessened if teachers, professors or parents could carry? instead of having 30 dead and the assailant, you might have a fraction or even just the assailant. did you know in michigan how many people carry? it's 1 out of every 6 people. and it's raising. yet still is no raise in crime, shootings. infact it's lessening. Who's gonna mug some lady if she could be packing a .25 auto, or try to rape some one who might be carrying a .38? or even carjacking? It's a massive determent. besides should we rely on the police to protect us? tell the mugger, rapist, shooter, bugler, murder, etc to wait 15 minutes so the police to get there after the fact. Plus it's not the police's job to protect us only to up hold the law. I fully believe that open carry is even better than concealed carry. Edited by rowskid86, Nov 27 2008, 11:47 AM.
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| fireh8er | Nov 27 2008, 01:54 PM Post #7 |
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I'm afraid we're going to have to disagree. I have a small child and I don't want any guns near her school or any other school. Period. |
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| rowskid86 | Nov 27 2008, 02:38 PM Post #8 |
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still would you rather have a teacher with it concealed or a armed gunmen entering? |
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| STC | Nov 27 2008, 03:09 PM Post #9 |
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I'd rather have neither |
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| rowskid86 | Nov 27 2008, 05:18 PM Post #10 |
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of coarse you would. because all guns are bad right. concealed weapon holders are just evil correct. people shal not defend themselves |
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| STC | Nov 27 2008, 06:09 PM Post #11 |
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No, I never said any of that nor implied any of that. I'd just rather that people didn't have items to shoot each other with in the first place. Wouldn't need to defend themselves then. |
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| fireh8er | Nov 27 2008, 06:24 PM Post #12 |
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Neither. There is no reason for guns in schools.
That's absolute nonsense! Edited by fireh8er, Nov 27 2008, 06:29 PM.
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| rowskid86 | Nov 27 2008, 08:10 PM Post #13 |
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and you expect a gunmen is going back off when there is that pasted on the school door? I'm not saying arm everyone, but allow people to choose to arm themselves and defend themselves. saying neither is beyond being naive.
you are quite correct it is non sense but it's probably what STC believes, and exactally what many others think as well. |
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| Franko | Nov 27 2008, 08:57 PM Post #14 |
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I think part of the problem here, Skid, is that many people are uncomfortable with guns (especially handguns) and in actuality the majority of the population (even in America) would prefer not to pack or have to pack a handgun. I know that you're fully experienced with such things; even I know how to load and check a typical semi-auto handgun. Many parents would be uncomfortable with sending their children to schools where adult personal (teachers or other workers) would be carrying concealed handguns. It's hard I know to break this issue down to mere logical components. Most of these "shooters" who come to a school, college or university are pretty well on a suicide binge in the first place. I agree that if some people were armed, they might be able to stop such a psycho before he's wasted too many people. However, armed school personal are likely not going to deter someone who's on a suicide/murder bender; all we can hope for is intervention before the body count gets too high. In most urban or even semi-urban areas (like mine) the police response to violence taking place at a school is about under two minutes. That's probably even faster (remember everyone has a cell phone these days; even a lot of the kids) a response time than an "armed teacher" could muster, and the cops are more trained for such a thing than a civilian (usually) Universities and major colleges should have thier own internal security network anyway; our University of British Columbia (UBC) has it's own little police force, and they're armed. There's no easy way to protect society from lunatics bent on mass murder/suicide. I agree though, that "banning" all guns is not the answer. But you can't compel people who are uncomfortable with guns (teachers, airline pilots, bus drivers) from carrying them. |
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| rowskid86 | Nov 27 2008, 11:19 PM Post #15 |
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I would never compel someone to carry a gun. what I'm suggesting is at least give people the option. |
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