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Slightly. Creepy. Cult of personality.
Topic Started: Nov 7 2008, 12:47 AM (842 Views)
Dwayne
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A conversation by Charlie Rose with Jon Meacham & Evan Thomas...



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MEACHAM: He's very elusive, Obama, which is fascinating for a man who's written two memoirs. At Grant Park he walks out with the family, and then they go away.

ROSE: Mmm. Mmm-hmm.

MEACHAM: Biden's back, you know, locked in the bar or something.

ROSE: (haughty chuckle)

MEACHAM: You know, they don't let him out. And have you ever seen a victory speech where there was no one else on stage?

ROSE: Mmm.

MEACHAM: No adoring wife, no cute kid. He is the messenger.

THOMAS: There is a slightly creepy cult of personality about all this. I mean, he's such an admirable --

ROSE: Slightly. Creepy. Cult of personality.

THOMAS: Yes.

ROSE: What's slightly creepy about it?

THOMAS: It -- it -- it just makes me a little uneasy that he's so singular. He's clearly managing his own spectacle. He's a deeply manipulative guy.

http://www.charlierose.com/shows/2008/11/5/2/a-conversation-with-jon-meacham-evan-thomas


Now they tell us.
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Minuet
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:ZZZZZ:

I don't accept this as proof of any cult of personality. It is one person's opinion and my opinion is that it is sour grapes.
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Dr. Noah
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I can understand why Republicans are so angry about Obama's huge following. His campaign was energized, alive. McCain's campaign lacked a certain oomph. I know very few Republicans that were really jazzed about McCain. I think maybe they're a bit jealous.
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Dwayne
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Ah yes... as if Jon Meacham & Evan Thomas are republicans. They are not. They are reporters.

I have to wonder, do any of you people ever really know what they're talking about?

Apparently not.
Edited by Dwayne, Nov 7 2008, 08:32 AM.
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Dr. Noah
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So by this logic, no reporter can possibly be a Republican.

Your gift for fallacy never ceases to amaze me.

Dwayne, do you remember when you told us that education makes you stupid? :rotfl:

That was classic. I will never forget that as long as I live.

Thanks for that. :D
Edited by Dr. Noah, Nov 7 2008, 08:35 AM.
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Minuet
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I didn't make a comment about what thier political affiliation is.

Apparently you need to insult others to stroke your own ego. It's really sad that you can't accept that others don't share your extreme opinions.
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Dwayne
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Jon Meacham & Evan Thomas are not republicans.

Can you prove they are? No

But I can prove they are Newsweek editors... Now what do you have?

Nothing.

What is telling is that you and minuet are trying to derail this thread into an attack on me, and not the subject at hand.
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Dwayne
 
I have to wonder, do any of you people ever really know what they're talking about?


Um, yeah - we are responsible for turning this into a personal attack. :news:
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Dr. Noah
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OK, so now the logic is if they are Newsweek editors they cannot possibly be Republicans.

This is a really interesting thinking structure you have going on. Tell me more.

It's not my intention to derail the thread. I'm just trying to understand your logic.

I told you my take on the lightly discussed subject of this cult of personality being "creepy".

It's a real deep analysis I must say.
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Dr. Noah
Nov 7 2008, 08:44 AM
OK, so now the logic is if they are Newsweek editors they cannot possibly be Republicans.

This is a really interesting thinking structure you have going on. Tell me more.
Don't ask questions - it's a personal attack :rotfl:
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Dr. Noah
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It is possible that Obama being "elusive" the last few days could be attributed to high security. There was already a foiled attempt on his life during the campaign.
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Dwayne
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Watch the interview and then you'd know you're not using the word 'elusive' in the same context it was being used by Jon Meacham.
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Dr. Noah
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Yeah, I watched it. Right after your quote ends, it is asked why Thomas thinks he is deeply manipulative and this is the response:

"I think he's always in control. He controls events. Events don't control him. He's a pretty calm guy, he seems to be able to get people to do pretty much what he wants. I think to answer your question as to why I have this inkling is that when he was in Harvard there was all this political positioning with liberals and conservatives and he was able to get everyone to believe that he is on thier side and people want to help him. It makes them feel good to help him."

Nice selective quoting there by the way.

So Obama is charismatic. And I guess that makes him manipulative in that he's able to get people of different political persuasions to get together and help him and feel good about it.
Sounds to me like the qualities of a good leader, and in fact Thomas says this as well.

But there is little other reference to the use of the word "elusive". I don't understand what's elusive about Obama really. The man has written two books about his life. His website is pages and pages and pages about what he sees as the problems and how he wants to fix them. If you want information about Obama it's not really hard to find. Go on down to the library, check out and read his books, or if you can't be bothered to read a book, check his website.
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Dwayne
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It makes him a cypher...
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Dr. Noah
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ci·pher also cy·pher (sî'fər) Pronunciation Key
n.
The mathematical symbol (0) denoting absence of quantity; zero.
An Arabic numeral or figure; a number.
One having no influence or value; a nonentity.

A cryptographic system in which units of plain text of regular length, usually letters, are arbitrarily transposed or substituted according to a predetermined code.
The key to such a system.
A message written or transmitted in such a system.
A design combining or interweaving letters or initials; a monogram.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/cypher

I'm confused here Dwayne. Which one of these definitions are you referring to?

Cult of personality is a reference to overwhelming popularity so it can't be having no influence or value, a nonentity. And I highly doubt you're saying he's the number zero or a system of arbitrarily transposed letters according to some code, or a monogram.

It appears that you, sir, are the one who has no idea what he is talking about.

I wonder if you are going to own up to this or run away like you did regarding "Kevin's Law".
Edited by Dr. Noah, Nov 7 2008, 09:28 AM.
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