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| Presidential Pardons; Who will Dubya grant Pardon? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 6 2008, 10:51 PM (358 Views) | |
| Sgt. Jaggs | Nov 6 2008, 10:51 PM Post #1 |
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How about a Voyager Movie
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The time is almost near, under the cover of his exit a President uses the power to absolve one of legal guilt. Or according to Wikipedia " A pardon means an executive order vacating a conviction."
Nice vacation ehhhh? So who will Bush Pardon? More from definitions sourced in wikipedia: A pardon means an executive order vacating a conviction. As a result, their criminal record on this particular incident is now "clean", the social stigma of having been convicted of a crime is removed, and there are no future legal implications regarding the prohibition of some activities which may have created by the now-pardoned conviction e.g. being unable to legally possess a handgun. A commutation means a mitigation of the sentence of someone currently serving a sentence for a crime pursuant to a conviction, without vacating the conviction itself. As a result, the fact that they have been convicted of a crime remains on the person's criminal record. The existence of this conviction may have future implications e.g. restricting/prohibiting some activities or being automatically disqualified from applying for certain jobs Here is Willian Jefferson Clintons Laundry List: [edit] Commutations Ronald Henderson Blackley Bert Wayne Bolan Gloria Libia Camargo Charles F. Campbell David Ronald Chandler - federal death row inmate[1]. Lau Ching Chin Donald R. Clark Loreta De-Ann Coffman Derrick Curry Velinda Desalus Jacob Elbaum Linda Sue Evans Loretta Sharon Fish Antoinette M. Frink David Goldstein Gerard A. Greenfield Jodie E. Israel Kimberly Johnson Billy Thornton Langston Jr. Belinda Lynn Lumpkin Peter MacDonald - Navajo Chairman (sentence for 14 years in 1993 for fraud and racketeering convictions.) Kellie Ann Mann Peter Ninemire Hugh Ricardo Padmore Arnold Paul Prosperi Florida attorney, tax fraud. managed Clinton's 1967 campaign for student-council president.[2] Melvin J. Reynolds - Democratic Congressman from Illinois - bank fraud and obstruction of justice Pedro Miguel Riveiro Dorothy Rivers - lead official in Jesse Jackson’s Rainbow/PUSH Coalition, plead guilty to theft of 1.2 million dollars in federal grant money Susan Rosenberg Kalmen Stern Cory Stringfellow Carlos Anibal Vignali - convicted of cocaine trafficking Thomas Wilson Waddell III Harvey Weinig Kim Allen Willis Kimba Smith Antonio Camacho Negron - FALN militant [edit] Pardons Verla Jean Allen (1990 false statements to an agency of the United States).[3] Nicholas M. Altiere (1983 importation of cocaine) Bernice Ruth Altschul (1992 money laundering conspiracy) Joe Anderson Jr. (1988 income tax evasion) William Sterling Anderson (1987 defraudment of a financial institution, false statements to a financial institution, wire fraud) Mansour Azizkhani (1984 false statements in bank loan applications) Cleveland Victor Babin Jr. (1987 using the U.S. mail service to defraud) Chris Harmon Bagley (1989 conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute cocaine) Scott Lynn Bane (Unlawful distribution of marijuana) Thomas Cleveland Barber (Issuing worthless checks) Peggy Ann Bargon (Violation of the Lacey Act, violation of the Bald Eagle Protection Act) David Roscoe Blampied (possess with intent to distribute cocaine) William Arthur Borders Jr. (Conspiracy to corruptly solicit and accept money in return for influencing the official acts of a federal district court judge (Alcee L. Hastings), and to defraud the United States in connection with the performance of lawful government functions; corruptly influencing, obstructing, impeding and endeavoring to influence, obstruct and impede the due administration of justice, and aiding and abetting therein; traveling interstate with intent to commit bribery) Arthur David Borel (Odometer Rollback) Douglas Charles Borel (Odometer Rollback) George Thomas Brabham (Making a false statement or report to a federally insured bank) Almon Glenn Braswell (1983 mail fraud and perjury) Leonard Browder (Illegal dispensing of controlled substance and Medicaid fraud) David Steven Brown (Securities fraud and mail fraud) Delores Caroylene Burleson, aka Delores Cox Burleson (Possession of Marijuana) John H. Bustamante (wire fraud) Mary Louise Campbell Eloida Candelaria Dennis Sobrevinas Capili Donna Denise Chambers Douglas Eugene Chapman Ronald Keith Chapman Francisco Larois Chavez Henry Cisneros (former HUD Secretary) Roger Clinton, Jr. Cocaine charges(half-brother of President Bill Clinton)[3] Stuart Harris Cohn David Marc Cooper Ernest Harley Cox Jr. John F. Cross Jr. Reickey Lee Cunningham Richard Anthony De Labio John Deutch (former Director of Central Intelligence Agency) Richard Douglas Edward Reynolds Downe Marvin Dean Dudley Larry Lee Duncan Galen R. Elmore (Convicted of cattle theft) Robert Clinton Fain Marcos Arcenio Fernandez Alvarez Ferrouillet Henry O. Flipper - guilty of "conduct unbecoming an officer" (1882) William Dennis Fugazy Lloyd Reid George Louis Goldstein Rubye Lee Gordon Pincus Green Robert Ivey Hamner Samuel Price Handley Woodie Randolph Handley Jay Houston Harmon Rick Hendrick John Hummingson David S. Herdlinger Debi Rae Huckleberry Warren C. Hultgren Jr. Donald Ray James Stanley Pruet Jobe Ruben H. Johnson Linda Jones James Howard Lake June Louise Lewis Salim Bonnor Lewis John Leighton Lodwick Hildebrando Lopez Jose Julio Luaces James Timothy Maness James Lowell Manning, (1982, aiding and assisting in the preparation of a false corporate income tax return) John Robert Martin Frank Ayala Martinez Silvia Leticia Beltran Martinez John Francis McCormick Susan H. McDougal Howard Mechanic Brook K. Mitchell Sr. Samuel Loring Morison Charles Wilfred Morgan III Richard Anthony Nazzaro Charlene Ann Nosenko Vernon Raymond Obermeier Miguelina Ogalde David C. Owen Robert W. Palmer Kelli Anne Perhosky Richard H. Pezzopane Orville Rex Phillips Vinson Stewart Poling Jr. James G. Powell Norman Lyle Prouse Willie H.H. Pruitt Jr.[4] Danny Martin Pursley Sr. Charles D. Ravenel William Clyde Ray Alfredo Luna Regalado Ildefonso Reynes Ricafort Marc Rich Howard Winfield Riddle Richard Wilson Riley Jr., Cocaine and marijuana charges, His father was Clinton's Education Secretary.[4] Samuel Lee Robbins Joel Gonzales Rodriguez Michael James Rogers Anna Louise Ross Dan Rostenkowski - Former Democratic Congressman convicted in the Congressional Post Office Scandal Gerald Glen Rust Jerri Ann Rust Bettye June Rutherford Gregory Lee Sands Adolph Schwimmer Albert A. Seretti Jr. Patricia Campbell Hearst Shaw Dennis Joseph Smith Gerald Owen Smith Stephen A. Smith Jimmie Lee Speake Charles Bernard Stewart Marlena Francisca Stewart-Rollins Fife Symington III - former Arizona governor Richard Lee Tannehill Nicholas C. Tenaglia Gary Allen Thomas Larry Weldon Todd Olga C. Trevino Ignatious Vamvouklis Patricia A. Van De Weerd Christopher V. Wade Bill Wayne Warmath Jack Kenneth Watson Donna Lynn Webb Donald William Wells Robert H. Wendt Jack L. Williams Kavin Arthur Williams Robert Michael Williams Jimmie Lee Wilson Thelma Louise Wingate Mitchell Couey Wood Warren Stannard Wood Dewey Worthey Rick Allen Yale Joseph A. Yasak William Stanley Yingling Phillip David Young Keith Sanders Darren Muci John Scott (not a full pardon) The following is a list of Ronald Reagans pardons: This list is incomplete; you can help by expanding it. We know Gerald Rudolph Ford Pardoned Tricky Dick Nixon. So if Slick Willie has a list of 150 pardons or commutatios of sentence and The Gipper has none I can easily peruse or substatiate, what can one surmise is average? Lets say 75. Thats the only substantive average. I guess Bush will Pardon or Commute Scooter Libby. Thats One. Conclusion is either that the Republicans are better at digging up dirt or that the Democrats have more than can be hidden. Truth is a revealing unemotional and revealing thing in life. |
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| RTW | Nov 7 2008, 08:23 AM Post #2 |
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Please don't forget that there are 50 or so names that aren't on Clinton's list .... because they died before the end of his term. link link |
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| Dwayne | Nov 7 2008, 08:53 AM Post #3 |
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I don't see him pardoning many people at all. |
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| Dandandat | Nov 7 2008, 09:06 AM Post #4 |
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Time to put something here
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It wont mater; one person will be one person to many for the news media. It will be his last scandal in office. |
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| Dwayne | Nov 7 2008, 09:08 AM Post #5 |
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Well, I'd have to say, I believe you're right. |
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| RTW | Nov 7 2008, 10:03 AM Post #6 |
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The left is going to hate him regardless so he should go out in a blaze of glory and pardon thousands. |
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| Intrepid2002 | Nov 7 2008, 10:13 AM Post #7 |
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UNGH!
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Hope he doesn't forget the turkey.
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| Dandandat | Nov 7 2008, 10:32 AM Post #8 |
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Time to put something here
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How can he forget the turkey, their special friends.
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Nov 7 2008, 10:43 AM Post #9 |
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I see that Clinton commuted the sentence of Linda Evans. What did she do, aside from living with Yanni? |
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| 8247 | Nov 7 2008, 12:01 PM Post #10 |
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Apparently we look like this now
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I really hope he pardons the border agents Ramos and Compeon, but I'm not holding my breath. |
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| Dwayne | Nov 7 2008, 12:15 PM Post #11 |
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^^^ I'm sorry to disagree with you, because I basically empathized for those guys, but ultimately it does look like they violated the law and acted improperly. I personally hope Pres. Bush pardons no one. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Nov 7 2008, 12:47 PM Post #12 |
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Someone had jokingly said, "Roger Clemens" on the radio yesterday. Of course Clemens hasn't been convicted of anything (yet). |
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| HistoryDude | Nov 7 2008, 01:18 PM Post #13 |
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Shaken, not stirred...
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OJ...?
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| 8247 | Nov 7 2008, 01:18 PM Post #14 |
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Apparently we look like this now
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FREE HAT!!! |
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| RTW | Nov 7 2008, 01:19 PM Post #15 |
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Ramos and Compean should definitely be pardoned. I'm disappointed in Bush that he didn't do it immediately. "Today I discuss a black mark on this administration in terms of the security of our country, a vile crime which has been committed against two law enforcement officers whose job it has been to protect our families and our communities by keeping control of America's borders. The sad episode started back on February 17, 2005, just another routine day for Border Patrol Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean. Both were Border Patrol veterans with unblemished service records. Agent Ramos, in fact, had been nominated for Border Patrol Agent of the Year. As they made their rounds that day 2 years ago, they checked on a tripped sensor near the border. Agent Compean discovered footprints and drag marks, the usual indication of a drug load being smuggled across the river. He spotted a vehicle, then radioed in the description and followed the suspect. The suspect realized that he had been spotted and turned around to rush back towards Mexico. Agent Ramos then observed the van driving at a very high rate of speed, and, after the driver ignored commands to pull over, Ramos gave chase. By the way, according to the prosecuting attorney, pursuing a fleeing suspect without a supervisor's permission is against the Border Patrol policy. Now, get this. We are being told that just pursuing someone who has come across the border in a vehicle, without permission of a supervisor, is an illegal act, is against the rules for our Border Patrol agents. Whoever made that rule up? I wonder if the drug smugglers and the terrorists know about that rule? The drug smuggler, then, in this particular instance, abandoned his vehicle and fled towards Mexico on foot, but he was intercepted by one of the agents, Agent Compean. Once again, ignoring several commands by Agent Compean to stop, a physical altercation ensued, with Compean ending up in the ditch. Seeing his opportunity, the smuggler ran toward the border. According to Agent Compean's sworn statement, while running, the suspect turned and pointed something shiny with his left hand. Believing that his life was in danger, Agent Compean opens fire. Now, how long do you have to determine whether that is a gun in the man's hand as he runs away and aims something at you? Hearing the gunshots, Agent Ramos came to the aid of his fellow officer. He, too, shouted for the smuggler to stop, but instead of obeying his command, the illegal drug smuggler once again turned and ran and, as he was running, again turned and pointed something shiny at Ramos, who at that moment shot his weapon once. After disappearing into the banks of the Rio Grande, the smuggler reappeared on the Mexican side where he jumped into a waiting van, which was waiting for him. Obviously, an organized situation. Unbeknownst to Officers Ramos and Compean, a bullet hit the illegal drug smuggler in the left buttocks. Other agents, including two supervisors, were nearby and could not see what was going on, but we have every reason to understand they heard the shots because they were that close. When the abandoned van was examined, 743 pounds of marijuana were found. The payload was seized, and one would think that congratulations were in order. After all, Ramos and Compean were heroes, weren't they? They had been responsible for taking off the street $1 million worth of drugs bound for our communities. Good job, fellas, right? No. Wrong. Agents Ramos and Compean, not the illegal drug smuggler, are at this moment languishing in Federal prison, serving 11- to 12-year sentences, and, in fact, they are in solitary confinement. " http://rohrabacher.house.gov/News/DocumentSingle.aspx?DocumentID=61098 |
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