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Topic Started: Nov 5 2008, 11:42 PM (408 Views)
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Dandandat
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Nov 6 2008, 12:30 AM
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Time to put something here
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- somerled
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- Nov 5 2008, 11:49 PM
Did they ? I heard they went the other way and wound up very close for the 65s and overs as a lot of them rely on their investments which have been damaged and even become worthless under Bush's watch. http://abcnews.go.com/pollingunit/exitpolls
Did you look at your link Over 65 Obama: 45% McCain: 53%
Oops my mistake , weight averages are actually : 50+ 49.62790698% went to Obama. 50+ 51.11627907% went to McCain. Still bugger all in it for the 50+ age group in any realistic sense. here's the calc wav = sum (fractionx%)/sum(fraction). 50 to 65 and 65+ are a very different category. 50 to 65 is middle age not elderly, clearly not the group Ann Nixon Cooper belongs too.
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somerled
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Nov 6 2008, 12:42 AM
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Did they ? I heard they went the other way and wound up very close for the 65s and overs as a lot of them rely on their investments which have been damaged and even become worthless under Bush's watch. http://abcnews.go.com/pollingunit/exitpolls
Did you look at your link Over 65 Obama: 45% McCain: 53%
Oops my mistake , weight averages are actually : 50+ 49.62790698% went to Obama. 50+ 51.11627907% went to McCain. Still bugger all in it for the 50+ age group in any realistic sense. here's the calc wav = sum (fractionx%)/sum(fraction).
50 to 65 and 65+ are a very different category. 50 to 65 is middle age not elderly, clearly not the group Ann Nixon Cooper belongs too. I know a lot of 50+s who are retired and have similar outlooks as the 65+s , heck my big sister is 62 yo (also retired) , I am seriously considering ditching work soon (I am 51 yo , and my elder brother retired at 52 yo about 8 years ago) , I personally know lots of retired 50+s who have very similar views of the world as the 65+ group.
Also met a lot of people who are 50+ and 65+ in my grey nomad outback safari , a lot of the see life like I do hence - early retirements (enforced sometimes , voluntary sometimes). Very common here - why keep working if you don't need or want to and can afford to opt out.
So I believe you are over generalising.
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Dandandat
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Nov 6 2008, 12:48 AM
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yea people considering whether they should retire or not, aren’t the same people who have been retired for a long time. Very different age groups; that split is a defining moment in ones life, it would be wrong for you to lump both sides of the split into one group. Those in their 50’s retired or not aren’t going to consider themselves elderly but middle aged.
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somerled
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Nov 6 2008, 12:52 AM
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yea people considering whether they should retire or not, aren’t the same people who have been retired for a long time. Very different age groups; that split is a defining moment in ones life, it would be wrong for you to lump both sides of the split into one group. Those in their 50’s retired or not aren’t going to consider themselves elderly but middle aged. I don't think you are right - it only takes a few months , maybe a year to change your paradymes and move from work mode to retired life mode. (I think I am already there just about after only a couple months of doing our own thing and not having the commitments of work to consider or fold your life around .... I've told a few peope to come on in .... the water is great).
I will concede that my mum , late 80s , has a very different world view and life view to my siblings and myself , she lived through WWII and The Great Depression and saw Australia and the world when it was very different , but she also see's things differently to my big sister and people in the 65-70 yo group too , who tend to be less conservative in their way than she is. (BTW she's a cast iron Labor Supporter and aways was.)
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Dandandat
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Nov 6 2008, 12:57 AM
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yea people considering whether they should retire or not, aren’t the same people who have been retired for a long time. Very different age groups; that split is a defining moment in ones life, it would be wrong for you to lump both sides of the split into one group. Those in their 50’s retired or not aren’t going to consider themselves elderly but middle aged.
I don't think you are right - it only takes a few months , maybe a year to change your paradymes and move from work mode to retired life mode. (I think I am already there just about after only a couple months of doing our own thing and not having the commitments of work to consider or fold your life around .... I've told a few peope to come on in .... the water is great). I tell you what somerled you get three 50 year olds to come here and tell me they are elderly and I will agree with you.
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Nov 6 2008, 01:03 AM
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yea people considering whether they should retire or not, aren’t the same people who have been retired for a long time. Very different age groups; that split is a defining moment in ones life, it would be wrong for you to lump both sides of the split into one group. Those in their 50’s retired or not aren’t going to consider themselves elderly but middle aged.
I don't think you are right - it only takes a few months , maybe a year to change your paradymes and move from work mode to retired life mode. (I think I am already there just about after only a couple months of doing our own thing and not having the commitments of work to consider or fold your life around .... I've told a few peope to come on in .... the water is great).
I tell you what somerled you get three 50 year olds to come here and tell me they are elderly and I will agree with you. Um ; someone who is in the group 50 - 69 no longer considers themself elderly , not when people are active and healthy now often into their mid 80s when "elderlyness" sets in and people hit the brick wall and start to keal over.
30 to 40 years ago people in their 50s were just about knackered and were elderly , not now.
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Nov 6 2008, 01:04 AM
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- Nov 5 2008, 11:51 PM
I think that's an overgeneralization Dan. There are several elderly people I know who support Obama. From debunked accusations of "the audience is screaming "terrorist!" and "kill him!"" to "I'm going to need some facts before I respond to wild allegations" and now anecdotal evidence.
Would it be too much to ask for just a little bit of consistency?
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Nov 6 2008, 01:05 AM
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^^^ There can be consistency in being inconsistent.
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Nov 6 2008, 01:06 AM
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I think that's an overgeneralization Dan. There are several elderly people I know who support Obama.
From debunked accusations of "the audience is screaming "terrorist!" and "kill him!"" to "I'm going to need some facts before I respond to wild allegations" and now anecdotal evidence. Would it be too much to ask for just a little bit of consistency? Pardon ....???
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Nov 6 2008, 01:06 AM
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yea people considering whether they should retire or not, aren’t the same people who have been retired for a long time. Very different age groups; that split is a defining moment in ones life, it would be wrong for you to lump both sides of the split into one group. Those in their 50’s retired or not aren’t going to consider themselves elderly but middle aged.
I don't think you are right - it only takes a few months , maybe a year to change your paradymes and move from work mode to retired life mode. (I think I am already there just about after only a couple months of doing our own thing and not having the commitments of work to consider or fold your life around .... I've told a few peope to come on in .... the water is great).
I tell you what somerled you get three 50 year olds to come here and tell me they are elderly and I will agree with you.
Um ; someone who is in the group 50 - 69 no longer considers themself elderly , not when people are active and healthy now often into their mid 80s when "elderlyness" sets in and people hit the brick wall and start to keal over. 30 to 40 years ago people in their 50s were just about knackered and were elderly , not now. Ok, thank you for agreeing with me.
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Nov 6 2008, 01:07 AM
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Looks like a fairly even split to me.
I see 53% to 45% is an even split but 52% to 47% is a clear mandate.
Dandandat, you are hearby instructed to report to the nearest math re-education camp immediately!
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Nov 6 2008, 01:08 AM
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yea people considering whether they should retire or not, aren’t the same people who have been retired for a long time. Very different age groups; that split is a defining moment in ones life, it would be wrong for you to lump both sides of the split into one group. Those in their 50’s retired or not aren’t going to consider themselves elderly but middle aged.
I don't think you are right - it only takes a few months , maybe a year to change your paradymes and move from work mode to retired life mode. (I think I am already there just about after only a couple months of doing our own thing and not having the commitments of work to consider or fold your life around .... I've told a few peope to come on in .... the water is great).
I tell you what somerled you get three 50 year olds to come here and tell me they are elderly and I will agree with you.
Um ; someone who is in the group 50 - 69 no longer considers themself elderly , not when people are active and healthy now often into their mid 80s when "elderlyness" sets in and people hit the brick wall and start to keal over. 30 to 40 years ago people in their 50s were just about knackered and were elderly , not now.
Ok, thank you for agreeing with me. What about specifically ?
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Nov 6 2008, 01:08 AM
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Looks like a fairly even split to me.
I see 53% to 45% is an even split but 52% to 47% is a clear mandate. Dandandat, you are hearby instructed to report to the nearest math re-education camp immediately! Yes sir, right away sir.
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Nov 6 2008, 01:11 AM
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Looks like a fairly even split to me.
I see 53% to 45% is an even split but 52% to 47% is a clear mandate. Dandandat, you are hearby instructed to report to the nearest math re-education camp immediately! Go back and read S L O W L Y so you will comprehend what I said and go and learn something about statistics , in particular W E I G H T E D - A V E R A G E S rather than airing your lack of understanding and distinct lack of knowledge .
And for the record , to avoid further confusion for mathematically challenged , the 65+ group represent only 16% of those who voted.
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Nov 6 2008, 01:15 AM
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yea people considering whether they should retire or not, aren’t the same people who have been retired for a long time. Very different age groups; that split is a defining moment in ones life, it would be wrong for you to lump both sides of the split into one group. Those in their 50’s retired or not aren’t going to consider themselves elderly but middle aged.
I don't think you are right - it only takes a few months , maybe a year to change your paradymes and move from work mode to retired life mode. (I think I am already there just about after only a couple months of doing our own thing and not having the commitments of work to consider or fold your life around .... I've told a few peope to come on in .... the water is great).
I tell you what somerled you get three 50 year olds to come here and tell me they are elderly and I will agree with you.
Um ; someone who is in the group 50 - 69 no longer considers themself elderly , not when people are active and healthy now often into their mid 80s when "elderlyness" sets in and people hit the brick wall and start to keal over. 30 to 40 years ago people in their 50s were just about knackered and were elderly , not now.
Ok, thank you for agreeing with me.
What about specifically ?
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