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Immigration reform and the Hispanic vote
Topic Started: Nov 5 2008, 11:08 PM (169 Views)
Dandandat
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http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977498863

McCain lost a lot of Hispanic vote that Bush had won in 2004 this time around. And the Hispanic vote is quite a large and growing voting block. Did the GOP cut off their nose to spite their face blocking both President Bush’s and McCain’s immigration reform while at the same time became quite heated over illegal immigration during the primaries?

With this trend continue? If the GOP doesn’t mend its bridges with the Hispanic community will they be endanger of losing states like Texas in years to come who’s Hispanic population is growing by leaps and bounds?
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Can you blame them for ditching the Republicans enmass ?
Edited by somerled, Nov 5 2008, 11:12 PM.
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Dandandat
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somerled
Nov 5 2008, 11:11 PM
Can you blame them for ditching the Republicans enmass ?
No I wouldnt blame them. Did you see blame in my post?
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Dandandat
Nov 5 2008, 11:08 PM
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977498863

McCain lost a lot of Hispanic vote that Bush had won in 2004 this time around. And the Hispanic vote is quite a large and growing voting block. Did the GOP cut off their nose to spite their face blocking both President Bush’s and McCain’s immigration reform while at the same time became quite heated over illegal immigration during the primaries?

With this trend continue? If the GOP doesn’t mend its bridges with the Hispanic community will they be endanger of losing states like Texas in years to come who’s Hispanic population is growing by leaps and bounds?
I know a lot of hispanics, and none of them seem too keen on black people. I sometimes think that hispanics are more racist against blacks than white people.

As for the issues... to me the GOP (This is my biggest complaint about Pres. Bush on Iraq) never seem to develop and deliver a cogent message, and then stay on top of it. Instead of being proactive with their message and image, they were reactive. IMO, that lead to a GOP administration and congress that let the democrats define the image and message that got across to the hispanics. I thought this was very clear during the immigration reform debate.

I don't know tho... this is kind of like a sweater that's frayed in that you pull one thread and the whole thing unravels.
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While I don't agree with all of this, it touches on some very good points I think might be relevant in reacquiring the hispanic vote...

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Republicans deserved to lose
by Jon Henke | November 5, 2008 at 3:47 PM

Dear Republicans,

You earned the beating you took yesterday. You earned every bit of it. It is your fault. Democrats may or may not have deserved to win, but you deserved to lose.

The rebuilding and renewal of the Right will start soon. This will be very important. The Right and the Republican Party are at an inflection point, and there are many directions things can go. The destiny of the Right and the Republican Party will be determined in large part by the decisions you make in the days, weeks and months ahead.

Some of you will say "we have learned our lesson", and then try to pass off cosmetic changes as Reform. You are the problem.

Some of you will say "Republicans need to fight/hold Democrats accountable", as if it is sufficient to be against Democrats. The pendulum may eventually swing back to you, but you won't know what to do with it.


Some of you will say "Republicans need to carry our message to the American people", as if the problem is that Republicans haven't been saying "tax cuts and limited government" loudly enough. The problem is not the inability to communicate; the problem is that you have no idea how to actually deliver on those ideas.


Others will say "Republicans need to be more principled", as if the problem is a mere lack of personal courage and principle by Republicans. Even the best people can't limit government if there is not an effective strategy for implementation - for getting "from here to there". You don't need better people. You need a better strategy.

The problem is not Republican politicians, although many Republicans politicians are a problem. The problem is not with the basic ideals of limited government and personal freedom, either. The problem is a movement that plays small-ball and cedes responsibility for infrastructure to business interests, leadership that rewards those who make friends rather than waves, an entrenched Party and Movement support system that mostly supports itself, an echo chamber that has rotted our intellect, a grassroots that is ill-equipped to shape the Republican Party, and a Republican Party that has replaced strategy with tactics, substance with marketing.

These problems can be fixed, but the fix is not cosmetic. The rot is deep. We do not need reformation of the Republican Party; we need transformation of the Republican Party. That is going to require fresh blood, new ideas, new infrastructure...and perhaps more than a little time in the wilderness.

You have earned the time you will spend wandering in the wildnerness. The land on the other side is not a promised land. It will have to be earned, too.

http://thenextright.com/jon-henke/republicans-deserved-to-lose
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Dwayne
Nov 5 2008, 11:32 PM
Dandandat
Nov 5 2008, 11:08 PM
http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977498863

McCain lost a lot of Hispanic vote that Bush had won in 2004 this time around. And the Hispanic vote is quite a large and growing voting block. Did the GOP cut off their nose to spite their face blocking both President Bush’s and McCain’s immigration reform while at the same time became quite heated over illegal immigration during the primaries?

With this trend continue? If the GOP doesn’t mend its bridges with the Hispanic community will they be endanger of losing states like Texas in years to come who’s Hispanic population is growing by leaps and bounds?
I know a lot of hispanics, and none of them seem too keen on black people. I sometimes think that hispanics are more racist against blacks than white people.
If I may be stereotypical for a moment; I to know quite a lot of Hispanics and I would have to agree with you on their prospective of blacks. I was quite amused to see the election results that said they had gone for Obama in the numbers that they did. Its good to see not all stereotypes are correct all the time.
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I hate stereotypes.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Funny, McCain was a big immigration "reform" supporter. So was Obama. Neither candidate would have sent masses of INS agents to round up swarms of illegals for deportation. Both candidates would have, no doubt, tried to push through a slightly-modified version of Bush's 2007 immigration package, which detractors labeled "Shamnesty."

Hispanics supported the Democrats this time because that's who their leaders supported. Watch for additional welfare to be made available.
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Nov 6 2008, 10:07 AM
Funny, McCain was a big immigration "reform" supporter. So was Obama. Neither candidate would have sent masses of INS agents to round up swarms of illegals for deportation. Both candidates would have, no doubt, tried to push through a slightly-modified version of Bush's 2007 immigration package, which detractors labeled "Shamnesty."

Hispanics supported the Democrats this time because that's who their leaders supported. Watch for additional welfare to be made available.
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Dandandat
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Nov 6 2008, 10:07 AM
Funny, McCain was a big immigration "reform" supporter. So was Obama. Neither candidate would have sent masses of INS agents to round up swarms of illegals for deportation. Both candidates would have, no doubt, tried to push through a slightly-modified version of Bush's 2007 immigration package, which detractors labeled "Shamnesty."

Hispanics supported the Democrats this time because that's who their leaders supported. Watch for additional welfare to be made available.
I would disagree with your idea that Hispanics would have distinguished between McCain and the whole of the republican party. With this group it is clear that McCain was hurt by association for the rhetoric leveled at Hispanic immigrants by the base of the republican party who where up set about illegal immigration. The fact that McCain was forced to change his opinion for the base only served to further his association.
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Dandandat
Nov 6 2008, 10:46 AM
Admiralbill_gomec
Nov 6 2008, 10:07 AM
Funny, McCain was a big immigration "reform" supporter. So was Obama. Neither candidate would have sent masses of INS agents to round up swarms of illegals for deportation. Both candidates would have, no doubt, tried to push through a slightly-modified version of Bush's 2007 immigration package, which detractors labeled "Shamnesty."

Hispanics supported the Democrats this time because that's who their leaders supported. Watch for additional welfare to be made available.
I would disagree with your idea that Hispanics would have distinguished between McCain and the whole of the republican party. With this group it is clear that McCain was hurt by association for the rhetoric leveled at Hispanic immigrants by the base of the republican party who where up set about illegal immigration. The fact that McCain was forced to change his opinion for the base only served to further his association.
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I think you're both right... some hispanics were turned off by it, but a lot of that was instigated by hispanic leaders.
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I have a question. Why do so many Hispanics attempt to enter America illegally? Why are they not able to do so legally?
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Admiralbill_gomec
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Nov 6 2008, 04:59 PM
I have a question. Why do so many Hispanics attempt to enter America illegally? Why are they not able to do so legally?
They ARE able to do so legally. We have provisions to allow over a million low skill and no skill job seekers to enter this country every year. Problem is that they'd be documented and subject to TAXES.
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Nov 6 2008, 04:59 PM
I have a question. Why do so many Hispanics attempt to enter America illegally? Why are they not able to do so legally?
Our immigration polices are not adequate for the numbers who wish to come here, nor can the country sustain a legitimate influx on the scale of current immigration; the system than is prone to brake down and is easily corruptible.
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I think that this was definitely an issue that cost them dearly. Looking too insensitive to immigration issues is a big deal to the Hispanic community. I do believe that it hurt them enough to send them in Obama's direction, despite the fact that so many polls over the years have shown that on many levels (family values, faith, etc.) Hispanics identify strongly with the Republican ideas.
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