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| Immigration reform and the Hispanic vote | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 5 2008, 11:08 PM (169 Views) | |
| Dandandat | Nov 5 2008, 11:08 PM Post #1 |
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http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977498863 McCain lost a lot of Hispanic vote that Bush had won in 2004 this time around. And the Hispanic vote is quite a large and growing voting block. Did the GOP cut off their nose to spite their face blocking both President Bush’s and McCain’s immigration reform while at the same time became quite heated over illegal immigration during the primaries? With this trend continue? If the GOP doesn’t mend its bridges with the Hispanic community will they be endanger of losing states like Texas in years to come who’s Hispanic population is growing by leaps and bounds? |
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| somerled | Nov 5 2008, 11:11 PM Post #2 |
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Can you blame them for ditching the Republicans enmass ?
Edited by somerled, Nov 5 2008, 11:12 PM.
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| Dandandat | Nov 5 2008, 11:18 PM Post #3 |
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No I wouldnt blame them. Did you see blame in my post? |
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| Dwayne | Nov 5 2008, 11:32 PM Post #4 |
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I know a lot of hispanics, and none of them seem too keen on black people. I sometimes think that hispanics are more racist against blacks than white people. As for the issues... to me the GOP (This is my biggest complaint about Pres. Bush on Iraq) never seem to develop and deliver a cogent message, and then stay on top of it. Instead of being proactive with their message and image, they were reactive. IMO, that lead to a GOP administration and congress that let the democrats define the image and message that got across to the hispanics. I thought this was very clear during the immigration reform debate. I don't know tho... this is kind of like a sweater that's frayed in that you pull one thread and the whole thing unravels. |
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| Dwayne | Nov 5 2008, 11:45 PM Post #5 |
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While I don't agree with all of this, it touches on some very good points I think might be relevant in reacquiring the hispanic vote...
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| Dandandat | Nov 5 2008, 11:46 PM Post #6 |
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If I may be stereotypical for a moment; I to know quite a lot of Hispanics and I would have to agree with you on their prospective of blacks. I was quite amused to see the election results that said they had gone for Obama in the numbers that they did. Its good to see not all stereotypes are correct all the time. |
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| Dwayne | Nov 5 2008, 11:48 PM Post #7 |
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I hate stereotypes. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Nov 6 2008, 10:07 AM Post #8 |
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Funny, McCain was a big immigration "reform" supporter. So was Obama. Neither candidate would have sent masses of INS agents to round up swarms of illegals for deportation. Both candidates would have, no doubt, tried to push through a slightly-modified version of Bush's 2007 immigration package, which detractors labeled "Shamnesty." Hispanics supported the Democrats this time because that's who their leaders supported. Watch for additional welfare to be made available. Edited by Admiralbill_gomec, Nov 6 2008, 10:08 AM.
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| Dwayne | Nov 6 2008, 10:41 AM Post #9 |
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| Dandandat | Nov 6 2008, 10:46 AM Post #10 |
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I would disagree with your idea that Hispanics would have distinguished between McCain and the whole of the republican party. With this group it is clear that McCain was hurt by association for the rhetoric leveled at Hispanic immigrants by the base of the republican party who where up set about illegal immigration. The fact that McCain was forced to change his opinion for the base only served to further his association. |
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| Dwayne | Nov 6 2008, 10:53 AM Post #11 |
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I think you're both right... some hispanics were turned off by it, but a lot of that was instigated by hispanic leaders. |
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| Data's Cat's Sister | Nov 6 2008, 04:59 PM Post #12 |
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I have a question. Why do so many Hispanics attempt to enter America illegally? Why are they not able to do so legally? |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Nov 6 2008, 05:07 PM Post #13 |
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They ARE able to do so legally. We have provisions to allow over a million low skill and no skill job seekers to enter this country every year. Problem is that they'd be documented and subject to TAXES. |
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| Dandandat | Nov 6 2008, 05:20 PM Post #14 |
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Our immigration polices are not adequate for the numbers who wish to come here, nor can the country sustain a legitimate influx on the scale of current immigration; the system than is prone to brake down and is easily corruptible. |
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| Swidden | Nov 7 2008, 04:46 AM Post #15 |
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I think that this was definitely an issue that cost them dearly. Looking too insensitive to immigration issues is a big deal to the Hispanic community. I do believe that it hurt them enough to send them in Obama's direction, despite the fact that so many polls over the years have shown that on many levels (family values, faith, etc.) Hispanics identify strongly with the Republican ideas. |
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