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| Should the Electoral College system in the USA be; ditched for another system ? | |
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| ds9074 | Nov 12 2008, 07:47 PM Post #61 |
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Say California did change on its own, that could nationally be unfair to the Democrats if other states didnt follow. Perhaps if a big (presidentially) Republican state joined California in the change, say Texas, and you both tried it for an election or two
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| RTW | Nov 12 2008, 08:25 PM Post #62 |
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I don't mind standing aside and letting the Democrats lead the way on this one.
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| Dandandat | Nov 12 2008, 09:04 PM Post #63 |
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That is an ill analyses of the system. First) a Safe sate is only safe because the opinions and views of the constituency already align more closely with a particular candidate. They aren’t being ignored, their views are tantamount to the candidate in question. Second) A safe state is only safe because the citizens of that state decided to alien them selves with a particular party platform; they are doing it to themselves rather than the system systematically harming them. |
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| ds9074 | Nov 13 2008, 06:31 AM Post #64 |
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^^^ But the effective outcome is that campaigning does tend to concentrate on a few states. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Nov 13 2008, 08:06 AM Post #65 |
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No, not really. Just the "safe" states. For example, there was little campaigning in Texas or California. On the other hand, states like Iowa, West Virginia, Colorado, and even tiny New Hampshire were heavily campaigned. None have more than nine electoral votes. |
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| Dandandat | Nov 13 2008, 09:01 AM Post #66 |
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Its not "campaigning" that is the problem, even we in the safe states get an ear full of campaigning. In fact my criticisms of or overall election process is that there is to much campaigning. The problem is with issues; will a particular state in the union gets its issues addressed, "Safe" states by virtue of their alignment with a candidate or a party platform by default get their issues addressed. And once again they chose to have their issues align with the candidate and party platform. |
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| Scotty | Nov 13 2008, 01:49 PM Post #67 |
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The majority of the states were red, but Obama still got it, to big states. I saw the map somewhere where it showed who got what state. |
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| RTW | Nov 13 2008, 02:06 PM Post #68 |
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No way! Don't even fib and tell me that you're not in withdrawal already! Just think ... it's going to be over a year, maybe close to two years, until we get to do all this again! How will we cope? |
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| Dandandat | Nov 13 2008, 04:51 PM Post #69 |
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Who cares who wins the majority of the states? |
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| ds9074 | Nov 13 2008, 04:58 PM Post #70 |
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I believe for what its worth Obama actually won more states than McCain as well as more popular votes and more electoral college votes. There was a clear winner. Even if each State only had one vote Obama would have won. You could however be thinking of the county by county map where McCain seems to have more geographic coverage, presumably due to lower populations in counties he won (map). Edited by ds9074, Nov 13 2008, 05:03 PM.
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Nov 13 2008, 06:06 PM Post #71 |
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The end result of the five pages of back-and-forth here is this: The electoral college is not perfect, but it is the best we can do at this time and should not be changed. We should be working to ensuring that the voter fraud we've seen increasing over the past few years is quashed. Quashed? More like crushed, and the perpetrators JAILED. There were, at any number of estimates, up to a million fraudulent votes during this campaign. Was it enough to change the presidential election? No. But... possibly congressional elections. |
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| Dandandat | Nov 13 2008, 09:10 PM Post #72 |
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five pages? Its not even one, you need to up the displayed number of posts on your UCP, its a lot more conveanet.
Yea look at the Minnesota |
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| fireh8er | Nov 14 2008, 04:54 AM Post #73 |
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I'm Captain Kirk!
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