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Election campaign on Sistertrek; ... why?
Topic Started: Oct 30 2008, 07:09 PM (544 Views)
somerled
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My hat off to you Mr Franko , very well stated.
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STC
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I think, and I've thought this for a long time, Obama is America's Tony Blair in some respects.

Cracking post that Franko :thmup:
Edited by STC, Oct 31 2008, 10:06 PM.
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Dwayne
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^^^ He's scripted.
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somerled
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Dwayne
Oct 31 2008, 10:29 PM
^^^ He's scripted.
^^

:rotfl: :headscratch: :rolleyes:
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Oct 31 2008, 08:24 PM
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Look at it this way: If four years of Jimmy Carter "gave" us Ronald Reagan, just imagine what four years of an inexperienced and much more liberal "Jimmy Carter" will give us!!!



I'll take an inexperienced Obama over a "seasoned" Carter anyday. I was around back in those days, it was in fact the pathetic presidency of Carter that got me interested in politics again and of course the necessity of needing Ronald Reagan to lift the morale of America, which he did.

Obama is no Carter. Carter was an idiot. Choc full of worn out antiquated attitudes, a bit of a southern racist; (I know that might hurt some) and easily intimidated. Intimidated by two bit punks in Iran, reckless decision making about using US military power (the botched hostage rescue) poor at dealing with the USSR, (publicly stating he might not retaliate to a first strike) heck, even Canada didn't think a whole lot of him.

Obama is with it, articulate, intelligent, has ideas, isn't afraid to adapt, and certainly, despite the rhetoric flying around here, is no "black panther socialist/radical". You can believe what you want, you can subscribe to the "fear" campaign of the bankrupt, and I mean bankrupt McCain/Palin ticket, or you can wallow in the fear-mongering against a candidate who has not convinced me that he plans to "radicalize" America.

One by one, many conservatives, republicans, guys like Colin Powell, have been leaving the sinking ship. The Republican party is in tatters. Insiders are even admitting to the media that this campaign has created an awful strain within the GOP. Watching McCain and Palin interviewed the other day, well, it was just pathetic. Palin has no grasp of what's going on. McCain must have given her a worried look about every two minutes. You could tell that he was reminding himself that he should have chosen Romney.

But this has never been about McCain. Maybe back in 2000 he would have still been in his prime, and made an excellent president. But in the debates, his speeches, his constant grinding of rhetoric, is just such a turn-off. This whole campaign has been about smearing and criticizing Obama, with very little substance as to what McCain plans to do. And as far as grooming Palin for 2012, I don't think so.

But hey, blame it all on the media. Blame it all on Obama's cult of personality. Blame whatever you want. Simply put, this is how the flow of history and of politics works. Obama emerged at just the right time, eclipsed the coronation of Hillary, has conducted a tour de force campaign, and if he wins on Tuesday it's due to an excellently managed campaign and a message and personality that attracts a lot of people, even from the right. Almost all of my conservative friends up here in Canada are rooting for Obama. This will be the first time in my adult life that I have ever supported a Canadian or US candidate who wasn't either a Tory or a Republican.

There's a reason for all this. You can blame all of the problems of the last 8 years on liberals, socialist policies of which Bush was "helpless" to repel (what crap) or the left wing media. To be honest, I don't even care. McCain isn't up to it. Just because he supposedly represents Republican values is not enough. I don't even think he has the health or the energy to serve the full four years with enthusiasm and "clear thinking".

Yes, many who are centrist and conservatives, are willing to roll the dice with Obama. If you're right, then the people can dismiss him in four years. But you heard it here first. If elected on Tuesday, he will do eight. Simply put, he can unify the US and restore confidence in the nation. He's the black Reagan.

My message to Obama if elected on Tuesday is: "You've talked the talk, man. Now the orchestra is engaged. Now let us see you perform". It's that simple.

I think he can.

This is my final commentary on the election until the end of Tuesday.



Excellent post! :clap: :clap:
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All that acclaim but refuses to return to stage for an encore...
If he is scripted Dwayne maybe you should ask for his script writers phone number, he has summed up a whole year of campaigning in one post
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Dwayne
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^^^ I didn't mean that about Franko... the comment was about Obama... everything about the man is scripted.
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Dwayne
Oct 31 2008, 10:29 PM
^^^ He's scripted.
As are ALL politicians.

So what is the point of this statement.
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somerled
Oct 30 2008, 10:48 PM
I personally think that the behaviour of some here , ie frequent rapid serial initiations of threads all related to one general topic is out right electioneering , propogandising and spam.

It also has the effect of driving other people's topics which may be on topics that are diametrically opposite in political content or simply topics the spammer doesn't want to see discussed from the front page and into the background. I suggest that this it is not desireable for one person's agenda or politics to be allowed to dominate any forum here and this behaviour has the effect of driving people away who might like a more balanced or even a balanced robust discussion of important topics and ideas and events here , if fact I see this behaviour as being part of such an agenda to force , in this case , people who are more left leaning out of the forum .
Really, what do you consider knee-jerk answers to such questions, done without reading the post or it's contents?

What do you think of people who make spam polls and bump them up when people ignore them?

Do you see this behavior is part of an agenda to force people who disagree out of a forum?



Just curious... :wave2:
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somerled
Oct 30 2008, 10:48 PM
I personally think that the behaviour of some here , ie frequent rapid serial initiations of threads all related to one general topic is out right electioneering , propogandising and spam.

It also has the effect of driving other people's topics which may be on topics that are diametrically opposite in political content or simply topics the spammer doesn't want to see discussed from the front page and into the background. I suggest that this it is not desireable for one person's agenda or politics to be allowed to dominate any forum here and this behaviour has the effect of driving people away who might like a more balanced or even a balanced robust discussion of important topics and ideas and events here , if fact I see this behaviour as being part of such an agenda to force , in this case , people who are more left leaning out of the forum .
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Admiralbill_gomec
Nov 1 2008, 09:30 AM
Really, what do you consider knee-jerk answers to such questions, done without reading the post or it's contents?

What do you think of people who make spam polls and bump them up when people ignore them?
These are excellent questions. Somerled, will you please answer them? Thanks!
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somerled
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Nov 1 2008, 09:30 AM
somerled
Oct 30 2008, 10:48 PM
I personally think that the behaviour of some here , ie frequent rapid serial initiations of threads all related to one general topic is out right electioneering , propogandising and spam.

It also has the effect of driving other people's topics which may be on topics that are diametrically opposite in political content or simply topics the spammer doesn't want to see discussed from the front page and into the background. I suggest that this it is not desireable for one person's agenda or politics to be allowed to dominate any forum here and this behaviour has the effect of driving people away who might like a more balanced or even a balanced robust discussion of important topics and ideas and events here , if fact I see this behaviour as being part of such an agenda to force , in this case , people who are more left leaning out of the forum .
Really, what do you consider knee-jerk answers to such questions, done without reading the post or it's contents?

What do you think of people who make spam polls and bump them up when people ignore them?

Do you see this behavior is part of an agenda to force people who disagree out of a forum?



Just curious... :wave2:
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Do you see this behavior is part of an agenda to force people who disagree out of a forum?


take a good long look in that mirror again pal , this is precisely how you act.

The only answer required has now been provided.

If you think my occasional poll is a spam poll , take it up in the appropriate venue. Otherwise you can of cause simply choose to ignore those polls and topics I start that you are not interested in and to start to act in a mature and adult manner for a change. But maybe that is too much to ask of the likes of you.

Edited by somerled, Nov 1 2008, 08:58 PM.
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somerled
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Nov 1 2008, 11:10 AM
somerled
Oct 30 2008, 10:48 PM
I personally think that the behaviour of some here , ie frequent rapid serial initiations of threads all related to one general topic is out right electioneering , propogandising and spam.

It also has the effect of driving other people's topics which may be on topics that are diametrically opposite in political content or simply topics the spammer doesn't want to see discussed from the front page and into the background. I suggest that this it is not desireable for one person's agenda or politics to be allowed to dominate any forum here and this behaviour has the effect of driving people away who might like a more balanced or even a balanced robust discussion of important topics and ideas and events here , if fact I see this behaviour as being part of such an agenda to force , in this case , people who are more left leaning out of the forum .
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Admiralbill_gomec
Nov 1 2008, 09:30 AM
Really, what do you consider knee-jerk answers to such questions, done without reading the post or it's contents?

What do you think of people who make spam polls and bump them up when people ignore them?
These are excellent questions. Somerled, will you please answer them? Thanks!
:rotfl: you really should grow up.

Some of us might see your behaviour as "piling it on" ... wait .... isn't that a warnable behaviour here ??
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Let's try to stay on the topic of the thread and keep the personal jabs out of the conversation.

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Campaign season tends to bring out the more visceral sentiments of people in general among those that actively follow politics to some extent. It is a time when we here and see our hopes and fears given voice. We all, to some degree, hope that the person that does not agree with us politically might actually listen to what we have to say and consider the alternative. However, when you consider that there are different ideologies at work it can be hard to wrap our heads around the other guy's experience.

I can't remember if it was the 2000 or 2004 Democratic Convention, but former President Clinton gave a speech wherein, attempting to appear more statesman like and doing a pretty good job of it, he pointed out to the audience that Republicans are not anymore or less patriotic than Democrats. He noted it was only the difference they way they thought government should work versus the way the Democrats thought it should work. At first some of his comments were booed, but he silenced the crowd and pretty much "lectured" them on remebering that left or right, we are all Americans and we all believe in the Constiution and the basic governmental system we operate under. Of course, he did go on to suggest that he thought the Democratic way was better than the Republican, but then that should hardly be surprising.
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Nov 2 2008, 08:48 PM
However, when you consider that there are different ideologies at work it can be hard to wrap our heads around the other guy's experience.
Yeah, why can't the Aussies among us wrap their heads around all our experience with Australian politics? If they'd just listen to us they'd realize that we have a much greater grasp of what's in Australia's best interest.

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