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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 29 2008, 11:16 PM (316 Views) | |
| Dwayne | Oct 29 2008, 11:16 PM Post #1 |
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Obama is quoted as saying this...
So, Obama wants a civilian national security force... a policing agency if you will... that's as well funded, as powerful and as strong as the US Military. Does anyone else see that as truly Orwellian? |
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| whitestar | Oct 30 2008, 01:51 AM Post #2 |
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Isn't that the role of existing security agencies such as the FBI, CIA and the NSA? The term "as powerful" would be an understatement in a discription of those agencies in terms of legal authority. Correct me if I'm wrong, the military has little if any authority outside of a national emergency or martial law, the only other way of using the term "as powerful" is in the context of arms, and that is a worry. That is inviting an American version of the "SS" of Nazi Germany |
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| somerled | Oct 30 2008, 01:58 AM Post #3 |
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So he wants to strengthen the National Guard and the Coast Guard ? So what ? Oh wait that'll threaten the aircraft manufacturing business maybe , and weaken the Pentagon maybe ? mmm ..... big deal. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Oct 30 2008, 06:32 AM Post #4 |
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You know, you'd really help your case if you learned something about our military forces before making posts like this... |
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| Dwayne | Oct 30 2008, 07:20 AM Post #5 |
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Yes, that's my concern too. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Oct 30 2008, 08:45 AM Post #6 |
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I'm thinking more along the lines of the NKVD. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php/index.php?pageId=69601 People have been asking about this since July. |
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| Dwayne | Oct 30 2008, 09:11 AM Post #7 |
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Totalitarian regimes are built upon personality cults... |
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| whitestar | Oct 30 2008, 09:25 AM Post #8 |
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The NKVD, thats Russian right? I don't think they have organised military units armed to the teeth able to take on the armed forces such as the SS of Nazi Germany which were easily a match of the German regular army on a unit to unit basis. Your existing security agencies could already terrorise the population as did the KGB without arming them as a military. The only difference are your laws and I guess the military itself if ordered to intervene |
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| Dwayne | Oct 30 2008, 09:36 AM Post #9 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD Even though it's not like the SS, I think the NKVD is probably a pretty good analogy tho. Edited by Dwayne, Oct 30 2008, 09:36 AM.
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| whitestar | Oct 30 2008, 09:41 AM Post #10 |
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Explain how? |
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| Dwayne | Oct 30 2008, 09:43 AM Post #11 |
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Read up on the NKVD... one of the things they were tasked with enforcing was ideological purity. |
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| whitestar | Oct 30 2008, 10:40 AM Post #12 |
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I did, I read your link actually... not a mention of divisions of armed troops trained as elite soldiers, or tank divisions, or an arm in the airforce but there was a mention of the Gestapo... much closer comparison to an NSA or FBI in the wrong hands than a security agency as powerful as the military that this thread started on |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Oct 30 2008, 11:05 AM Post #13 |
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That wasn't the gist of the original article, or the follow-up I posted. From my article:
National security force isn't a military force but rather a police force. This is why the NKVD popped into my head. Edited by Admiralbill_gomec, Oct 30 2008, 11:07 AM.
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| whitestar | Oct 30 2008, 11:41 AM Post #14 |
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so was the Nazi SS a police force but armed as though a military force as would be any security force "that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded" Edited by whitestar, Oct 30 2008, 11:42 AM.
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| Dwayne | Oct 30 2008, 01:26 PM Post #15 |
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The history of the SS could be summed up as a paramilitary force. And it's really difficult at this point to conclude how Obama's civilian national security force will operate. All I know is that this is not needed and would serve no function that's not already being accomplished by already existing agencies.
Edited by Dwayne, Oct 30 2008, 01:58 PM.
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