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He's not even in office and he's already crooked.
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Topic Started: Oct 29 2008, 01:12 AM (651 Views)
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Nov 2 2008, 03:10 PM
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Back on point... Obama is crooked... He will get impeached. Are you suggesting that we hold him to the standards and guidelines that all candidates are supposed to follow?
Sadly, I don't see that going over very well. I dare say that such behavior will be labeled as .... well, you know.
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Nov 2 2008, 03:13 PM
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Back on point... Obama is crooked... He will get impeached...
So your assuming now he is going to win the election
And be impeached by whom? The Democrat controlled Congress?
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Nov 2 2008, 05:42 PM
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The media says he'll win, so I'm saying, "He'll get impeached."
It sounds like you are making the assumption that democrats will hold the House and Senate in 2010. That's not so certain.
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Nov 2 2008, 09:44 PM
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Dream on ... sonny.
You are yet to show he personally did anything crooked (in the campaign or even in his entire life).
We all know know you are just throwing &@*t machine gun style in the hope that some of it sticks and have no substantive evidence to back up your allegations which you've just lifted from blogs and publications that are very right wing.
I think if Obama is elected , he wont live out a full term , as someone will most likey assassinate him , so you are faced with the prospect of either McCain just keeling over from some cancer or other natural cause before his term is up (scarey prospect having Pallin step into his job .... doesn't bear thinking about) or Obama being knocked off (and Bidden stepping into the job).
( yes I know dwayne wont see this post , still his mates here will . )
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Nov 3 2008, 05:59 AM
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Somerled, you need to calm down before you hyperventilate.
Unfortunately, for your point of view, Obama has admitted at least some of the accusations posted in the thread. Now, of course, he has claimed that he innocently broke the law, but he has admitted that he did so and will make restitution for having done so.
(Ie, accepting an illegal donation from his aunt, who is not eligible to donate under law).
As to the rest of the accusations ....
Well, no less than CBS news is running with the story - finally. Anyone who claims that CBS is a "right-wing" source, is by definition, stating that they don't know what they are talking about.
So, we are back to your not hyperventilating.
Tomorrow, someone will be elected president of the United States. It's happened before and will happen again.
And despite the somewhat racist (in my opinion) views of some prominent individuals (Jong and Carville come to mind) there will not be widespread violence in the streets as a result of the decision.
So there is no need for your concern.
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Nov 3 2008, 07:15 AM
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Somerled, you need to calm down before you hyperventilate.
Unfortunately, for your point of view, Obama has admitted at least some of the accusations posted in the thread. Now, of course, he has claimed that he innocently broke the law, but he has admitted that he did so and will make restitution for having done so.
(Ie, accepting an illegal donation from his aunt, who is not eligible to donate under law).
As to the rest of the accusations ....
Well, no less than CBS news is running with the story - finally. Anyone who claims that CBS is a "right-wing" source, is by definition, stating that they don't know what they are talking about.
So, we are back to your not hyperventilating.
Tomorrow, someone will be elected president of the United States. It's happened before and will happen again.
And despite the somewhat racist (in my opinion) views of some prominent individuals (Jong and Carville come to mind) there will not be widespread violence in the streets as a result of the decision.
So there is no need for your concern.
I am and was perfectly calm when I posted .
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Nov 3 2008, 07:29 AM
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Then maybe you need to dial back the ignorance of what you just posted.
Many news outlets HAVE posted a number of illegal practices done by the Obama campaign and the Democrats (and through their proxies). We're all sorry you don't like it.
Obama himself broke his word (not illegal, but says something about his character) when he changed his mind on matching funds. If that doesn't make people think twice about who to vote for, then the cause is lost.
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Nov 3 2008, 07:54 AM
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Then maybe you need to dial back the ignorance of what you just posted.
Many news outlets HAVE posted a number of illegal practices done by the Obama campaign and the Democrats (and through their proxies). We're all sorry you don't like it.
Obama himself broke his word (not illegal, but says something about his character) when he changed his mind on matching funds. If that doesn't make people think twice about who to vote for, then the cause is lost. You're exactly right.
I heard something very weird on the radio this morning. They said that Obama had raised 1.4 million in Kansas. I thought that weird, because just how does Obama know it was raised from Kansas?
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Nov 3 2008, 08:24 AM
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STEALING AN ELECTION? OBAMA'S DUBIOUS ALLIESBy GLENN HARLAN REYNOLDS Last updated: 7:30 am November 3, 2008 Posted: 5:02 am November 3, 2008 WHETHER or not Barack Obama wins election tomorrow, his campaign has exposed some gaping weaknesses in the electoral process - and some even more serious problems with today's mass media. The question is whether the political establishment will be willing to do anything about them. On the electoral side, we've seen allegations of massive voter fraud, often backed up by actual arrests and investigations. The FBI has opened an investigation into the Obama-friendly group ACORN, which has been associated with fraudulent registrations and other misconduct in many jurisdictions. In Indiana, CNN noted, of 5,000 registrations turned in, the first 2,000 turned out to be fraudulent. In Kansas City, officials found hundreds of bogus registrations. CNN also reported on the case of Clifton Mitchell, an ex-ACORN worker who served time in prison for voter fraud. In Pennsylvania, ACORN worker Jemar Barksdale was arrested for voter fraud involving fake registrations. Meanwhile, the state of Ohio turned up 200,000 questionable voter registrations, but Ohio officials went to court to avoid having to respond. In Michigan, an ACORN worker has been charged with forgery. ACORN activists even tried to register Mickey Mouse to vote in Florida. Indianapolis, meanwhile - along with some counties in Alabama and Mississippi - turned out to have more registrants than actual live voters. And in Connecticut, a group of journalism students discovered 8,500 dead people still on the rolls, people whose identities could be used to cast fraudulent ballots. As The Post reported, ACORN also managed to register a 7-year-old girl to vote in Bridgeport, while in Nevada ACORN filed registrations in the names of Dallas Cowboys and had its offices raided by Nevada authorities. In Florida, more than 30,000 ineligible felons were registered to vote. But it's not just voters who are questionable. While the vote-fraud stories were running, the Obama campaign - after Obama broke a promise to stick with public financing - was setting fund-raising records and bragging about its grass-roots donations. It turned out to have a system for credit-card processing that could hardly have been better suited to enabling financial fraud. Unlike other campaigns, Oba ma's staff disabled the "Ad dress Verification System" that checks credit-card numbers against addresses to ensure their validity. The result was that people could make multiple donations under different names using the same card, in violation of reporting requirements and donation limits. And there was nothing to stop foreign nationals from donating directly to the Obama campaign. As Scott Johnson noted in this newspaper, "No presidential campaign has ever before received such a gargantuan sum of money from unidentified contributors." An investigation by National Journal reporter Neil Munro found that the McCain campaign Web site didn't allow anonymous donations, while the Obama Web site did. Although there has been some coverage here and there, the response of the national press corps to these rather shocking developments has been a collective yawn. Even some Democrats are noticing. On Obama's broken promise on public financing, former Sen. Bob Kerrey observed, "There's a liberal bias. There's a preference for Obama and it's getting underreported as a result." Likewise, the voter-fraud sto ries are being downplayed or even spun as unimportant: A recent article in Slate was headlined "Stolen Elections: As American as Apple Pie." (I don't recall them taking that attitude in 2000.) And if it were the NRA, instead of ACORN, registering Mickey Mouse to vote, I suspect the reaction would be different. This election has really served to demonstrate the importance of a free, independent and honest press and how unfortunate it is that we don't have one. Of course, if the press weren't in the tank for Obama, it might still face intimidation. The Obama campaign threatened the licenses of TV stations that ran an NRA ad that truthfully stated Obama's record of supporting gun control. Obama-supporting prosecutors and sheriffs in Missouri formed a "truth squad" and - until challenged - threatened punishment against those telling "lies" about Obama. Reporters from newspapers endorsing McCain - including this one - were even booted from Obama's campaign plane. And Joe Wurzelbacher, better known as "Joe the Plumber," experienced a different form of thuggishness, as his rise to prominence led to illegal background checks on state computer systems in Ohio. Helen Jones-Kelley, director of the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services, authorized checks into his background that may have violated state law. (According to OpenSecrets.org and press reports, Jones-Kelley is an Obama donor.) Information on Wurzelbacher was also accessed from the office of the Ohio attorney general and the Toledo Police Department. Perhaps it's unfair to attribute all the misconduct of Obama supporters to the Obama campaign, and it's probably over the top to compare Obama to Hugo Chavez and warn of a "Caracas on the Potomac," as the Washington Examiner's Mark Tapscott did last week. But this sort of behavior does raise questions about Obama's character and is sure to leave a bad taste. The tragedy is that Obama would probably have done just as well - and perhaps better - if his campaign had lived up to his early claims of nice-guy nonpartisanship, instead of looking more like a dirty Chicago Machine effort. Now, if Obama wins, he'll have to deal with a lot more resentment and suspicion. And the rest of us will have to try to push for reforms to make such abuses more difficult. Weaknesses in the financial system that weren't ad dressed because they benefited insiders led to the current economic crisis. It's now clear that our political system suffers from similar weaknesses. Just as no-doc loans and dubious financial controls led to the subprime crisis - but weren't addressed because they were making participants rich - so, too, may no-doc voting and dubious financial controls lead to a political crisis that, quite possibly, will make the financial crisis look mild. But will the political players have the backbone to address the problems before a crisis appears? So far, it looks doubtful. http://www.nypost.com/seven/11032008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/stealing_an_election_136579.htm?page=0
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Nov 3 2008, 09:56 AM
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STEALING AN ELECTION? OBAMA'S DUBIOUS ALLIESBy GLENN HARLAN REYNOLDS Last updated: 7:30 am November 3, 2008 Posted: 5:02 am November 3, 2008 WHETHER or not Barack Obama wins election tomorrow, his campaign has exposed some gaping weaknesses in the electoral process - and some even more serious problems with today's mass media. The question is whether the political establishment will be willing to do anything about them. On the electoral side, we've seen allegations of massive voter fraud, often backed up by actual arrests and investigations. The FBI has opened an investigation into the Obama-friendly group ACORN, which has been associated with fraudulent registrations and other misconduct in many jurisdictions. In Indiana, CNN noted, of 5,000 registrations turned in, the first 2,000 turned out to be fraudulent. In Kansas City, officials found hundreds of bogus registrations. CNN also reported on the case of Clifton Mitchell, an ex-ACORN worker who served time in prison for voter fraud. In Pennsylvania, ACORN worker Jemar Barksdale was arrested for voter fraud involving fake registrations. Meanwhile, the state of Ohio turned up 200,000 questionable voter registrations, but Ohio officials went to court to avoid having to respond. In Michigan, an ACORN worker has been charged with forgery. ACORN activists even tried to register Mickey Mouse to vote in Florida. Indianapolis, meanwhile - along with some counties in Alabama and Mississippi - turned out to have more registrants than actual live voters. And in Connecticut, a group of journalism students discovered 8,500 dead people still on the rolls, people whose identities could be used to cast fraudulent ballots. As The Post reported, ACORN also managed to register a 7-year-old girl to vote in Bridgeport, while in Nevada ACORN filed registrations in the names of Dallas Cowboys and had its offices raided by Nevada authorities. In Florida, more than 30,000 ineligible felons were registered to vote. But it's not just voters who are questionable. While the vote-fraud stories were running, the Obama campaign - after Obama broke a promise to stick with public financing - was setting fund-raising records and bragging about its grass-roots donations. It turned out to have a system for credit-card processing that could hardly have been better suited to enabling financial fraud. Unlike other campaigns, Oba ma's staff disabled the "Ad dress Verification System" that checks credit-card numbers against addresses to ensure their validity. The result was that people could make multiple donations under different names using the same card, in violation of reporting requirements and donation limits. And there was nothing to stop foreign nationals from donating directly to the Obama campaign. As Scott Johnson noted in this newspaper, "No presidential campaign has ever before received such a gargantuan sum of money from unidentified contributors." An investigation by National Journal reporter Neil Munro found that the McCain campaign Web site didn't allow anonymous donations, while the Obama Web site did. Although there has been some coverage here and there, the response of the national press corps to these rather shocking developments has been a collective yawn. Even some Democrats are noticing. On Obama's broken promise on public financing, former Sen. Bob Kerrey observed, "There's a liberal bias. There's a preference for Obama and it's getting underreported as a result." Likewise, the voter-fraud sto ries are being downplayed or even spun as unimportant: A recent article in Slate was headlined "Stolen Elections: As American as Apple Pie." (I don't recall them taking that attitude in 2000.) And if it were the NRA, instead of ACORN, registering Mickey Mouse to vote, I suspect the reaction would be different. This election has really served to demonstrate the importance of a free, independent and honest press and how unfortunate it is that we don't have one. Of course, if the press weren't in the tank for Obama, it might still face intimidation. The Obama campaign threatened the licenses of TV stations that ran an NRA ad that truthfully stated Obama's record of supporting gun control. Obama-supporting prosecutors and sheriffs in Missouri formed a "truth squad" and - until challenged - threatened punishment against those telling "lies" about Obama. Reporters from newspapers endorsing McCain - including this one - were even booted from Obama's campaign plane. And Joe Wurzelbacher, better known as "Joe the Plumber," experienced a different form of thuggishness, as his rise to prominence led to illegal background checks on state computer systems in Ohio. Helen Jones-Kelley, director of the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services, authorized checks into his background that may have violated state law. (According to OpenSecrets.org and press reports, Jones-Kelley is an Obama donor.) Information on Wurzelbacher was also accessed from the office of the Ohio attorney general and the Toledo Police Department. Perhaps it's unfair to attribute all the misconduct of Obama supporters to the Obama campaign, and it's probably over the top to compare Obama to Hugo Chavez and warn of a "Caracas on the Potomac," as the Washington Examiner's Mark Tapscott did last week. But this sort of behavior does raise questions about Obama's character and is sure to leave a bad taste. The tragedy is that Obama would probably have done just as well - and perhaps better - if his campaign had lived up to his early claims of nice-guy nonpartisanship, instead of looking more like a dirty Chicago Machine effort. Now, if Obama wins, he'll have to deal with a lot more resentment and suspicion. And the rest of us will have to try to push for reforms to make such abuses more difficult. Weaknesses in the financial system that weren't ad dressed because they benefited insiders led to the current economic crisis. It's now clear that our political system suffers from similar weaknesses. Just as no-doc loans and dubious financial controls led to the subprime crisis - but weren't addressed because they were making participants rich - so, too, may no-doc voting and dubious financial controls lead to a political crisis that, quite possibly, will make the financial crisis look mild. But will the political players have the backbone to address the problems before a crisis appears? So far, it looks doubtful. http://www.nypost.com/seven/11032008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/stealing_an_election_136579.htm?page=0
The election isn't over and he's stolen it already .....
Is this a case of republican sour grapes that Obama has run a better funds raising campaign and managed it better than McCain has ? ... says heaps about how well McCain will run the USA's government eh .
I wonder if the tables were turned , if you'd be making a fuss about this ?
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Nov 3 2008, 10:34 AM
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Yes, I WOULD. Why? Because I have this certain loathing for FRAUD.
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Nov 3 2008, 11:40 PM
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FBI asked questions on Rezko land deal Value at issue, appraiser saysJerry Seper Tuesday, November 4, 2008 A former Illinois real estate specialist says FBI agents have questioned him about a Chicago property that had been bought by convicted felon Tony Rezko's wife and later sold to the couple's next-door neighbor, Sen. Barack Obama. The real estate specialist, Kenneth J. Conner, said bank officials replaced an appraisal review he prepared on the property and FBI agents were investigating in late 2007 whether the Rezko-Obama deal was proper. “Agents and I talked about payoff, bribe, kickback for a long time, though it took them only a short number of minutes of talking with me while looking at the appraisal to acknowledge what they already seemed to know: The Rezko lot was grossly overvalued,” Mr. Conner told The Washington Times Monday. “Rezko paid the asking price on the same day Obama paid $300,000 less than the asking price to the same seller for his adjacent mansion,” he said. “This begs the question of payoff, bribe, kickback.” Associated Press Chicago real estate developer Tony Rezko was convicted June 16 on felony counts of fraud, money laundering, and aiding and abetting a bribery scheme involving kickbacks from companies wanting to do business with the state. The charges did not involve Sen. Barack Obama. In a wrongful-termination complaint filed last month in the Circuit Court of Cook County, Mr. Conner said his appraisal of the Rezko property, held in Rita Malki Rezko's name, was replaced with a higher one and he was fired when he questioned the document. Mr. Conner, a former real estate and commercial credit analyst at Mutual Bank Corp. in Chicago, noted in the complaint that the bank received a grand jury subpoena in October 2006 requiring it to produce information concerning Mrs. Rezko's purchase, including the bank's files on the property. The complaint also said the grand jury wanted information on Mrs. Rezko's checking account and loan file and whether the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. (FDIC) had audited the Rezko file. It said Mutual Bank officials could be guilty of making false statements, willfully overvaluing property, bank fraud, witness retaliation, willful violation of a lawful subpoena, FDIC violations, and state banking regulations. The FBI has declined comment on the Rezko investigation, although it is known that Rezko is cooperating with authorities as the probe continues. Mr. Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee, has denied being involved in any wrongdoing, although he considered the purchase “a mistake on my part and I regret it.” The deal took place at a time it was widely known that federal authorities were investigating Rezko and several Illinois politicians he had befriended. According to his complaint, Mr. Conner reviewed the appraisal of the Rezko property by another firm, Adams Appraisal, which had set the value at $625,000. The complaint said he told his bosses the property had been overvalued by at least $125,000 and that a “reasonable and fair evaluation” should have been no greater than $500,000. Mr. Conner said the removal of his appraisal “seemed understood as a crime with respect to the subpoena” of the Rezko property and the FDIC audit. The complaint said Mr. Conner is seeking $4.2 million for compensatory damages, plus unspecified punitive damages. Rezko was a key supporter and donor throughout Mr. Obama's political career, with the Illinois Democrat estimating that Rezko raised $250,000 for his various political campaigns, though not for his presidential bid. The two were friends who talked frequently about politics and occasionally dined together with their wives. Rezko was convicted June 16 on felony counts of fraud, money laundering, and aiding and abetting a bribery scheme involving kickbacks from companies wanting to do business with the state. The charges did not involve Mr. Obama. Mr. Conner is asking Mr. Obama to make his lower appraisal review of his house public, saying it is relevant to his pending complaint. http://washingtontimes.com/news/2008/nov/04/fbi-asked-questions-on-rezko-land-deal/
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More details to follow I'm certain: http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2009/01/04/richardson_withdraws_as_commer.html
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At least he has the good sense and character to take his name out of the hat.
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^^^ But it does say something about associations, does it not?
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