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| Joe the Plumber?; Not a plumber. And not even called Joe | |
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| Minuet | Oct 20 2008, 02:58 PM Post #106 |
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Here we go again. Did I say that Republicans do it more? NO! Try to keep up with the discussion. The premise was put forth that DEMOCRATS do it more. I have asked for proof. Don't try to sidetrack this by making comments that make it seem that I said something I did not. It just comes off as a petty ploy to deflect the fact that you are unable to support your own premise. |
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| ImpulseEngine | Oct 20 2008, 03:41 PM Post #107 |
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Wow, nice jeté. |
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| Dwayne | Oct 20 2008, 03:42 PM Post #108 |
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Win or lose, the left has opened a can of worms.
Edited by Dwayne, Oct 20 2008, 04:01 PM.
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| Wichita | Oct 21 2008, 05:29 AM Post #109 |
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Impulse Engine, You are right - I stated that question badly. What I meant was to ask if you know the address of where the conversation took place, where the tax lien was, or something similiar. No, I don't want the address posted. Also, I have never blamed Obama for this witch hunt. I have stated as much before in this thread, but someone else has decided that they know what I "really" meant and keeps stating the opposite regardless of what I say. I don't think that either Obama or McCain should be blamed for this scrutiny. I believe the media have taken on themselves the role of protector of Obama. I don't think that he is discouraging that action because it is so blatantly in his favor and I don't really blame him for that. Why invite the media to investigate your donors named "ddhhhdss" or "l;glooos" or the illegal foreign donations you've received when they are happy just investigating why Palin has a tanning bed in the governor's mansion and that Cindy McCain may have felt uncomfortable with other Congressional wives. BTW, I did read your whole piece. I just don't have a lot of time at the moment. I personally think that the guide of preponderance of evidence is a fair standard in this case and, since I broke my own rule and looked up his address, I believe that he does live on the street. I think you are going for beyond a shadow of a doubt rule of evidence in your objections. And I really don't see the complaint that his use of his middle name somehow calls his credibility into question. All that, and five dollars, will get you an expensive cup of coffee. |
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| whitestar | Oct 21 2008, 06:26 AM Post #110 |
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Or maybe something like this could happen https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/as.html |
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| Minuet | Oct 21 2008, 08:13 AM Post #111 |
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Wichita, This is a statement you made on the first page of this thread. If you are blaming the press and not Obama then why make a statement about an Obama administration specifically? If the press is to blame then expect the same no matter who the administration is. |
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| ImpulseEngine | Oct 21 2008, 08:32 AM Post #112 |
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The address that I previously stated I know right down to the house number is the one where Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher lives and it's on the street where Obama was campaigning. Ok, I'll take you at your word. However, my point wasn't just about whether Obama gets the blame, but also about why the scrutiny started. I don't believe it started simply because of the conversation between Obama and Joe. It started because that conversation was made into a bigger deal in the 3rd debate. That then caused the media to pick up on it. This is in reply to something you said earlier along the lines of whether everyone who speaks to Obama is going to get scrutinized. I very well may be making a bigger deal than it is, but with some of the things that have been pulled in past campaigns I now must ask the questions. |
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| Dwayne | Oct 21 2008, 06:12 PM Post #113 |
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Great video of the affore mentioned McCain rally where David Corn got a mouthfull from some McCain supports who take isse with the treatment of Joe the Plumber. |
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| RTW | Oct 21 2008, 06:26 PM Post #114 |
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Wow whitestar - now I'm even more staunchly against spreading the wealth around than EVER!!! Your link chilled me to the bone! Just a glimpse of the first graphic sent a cold shiver down my spine! |
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| whitestar | Oct 21 2008, 07:09 PM Post #115 |
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not so scary up close RTW, come on over and we'll chuck a prawn (shrimp) on the barbie, get to see another version of your own country. P.S As big a version as a 20 million pop can provide Edited by whitestar, Oct 21 2008, 07:15 PM.
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| Wichita | Oct 22 2008, 05:44 AM Post #116 |
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Thank you, Minuet, for posting my original comment again. As anyone who has read it can clearly see, I DID NOT blame Obama or Obama's administration for the witch hunt leveled against private citizen, Joe the Plumber. I blamed the news media. The same news media whose article was posted in the first post in the thread - you know the one that I was responding to when I made the comment posted above.
Let me point out that it only took you EIGHT PAGES of this thread before asking me THAT question. Funny thing is that I ALREADY answered that question - on the first page and in my second (I believe) post in this thread.
So, although I have made it absolutely clear that I blame the media for their protection of Obama in the face of of anything that may be viewed as threatening to Obama's success, you have continued to claim that I am saying something different than I have, in fact, said. Just because you believe that the media would behave precisely the same under either administration, doesn't mean that I - or anyone else for that matter - agree with you. As I said the other day, when you actually want to discuss the issue - let me know. |
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| Wichita | Oct 22 2008, 05:48 AM Post #117 |
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And I will take you at your word that you don't blame McCain for the treatment that he received either. However, I will repeat that BEFORE the debate, I was already reading articles detailing various aspects of Joe the Plumber's personal life. |
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| Minuet | Oct 22 2008, 08:18 AM Post #118 |
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Wichita - whenever I have tried to "discuss" the issues with anyone I have found examples wanting. This is one incident. It does not show any trend in my opinion. Maybe the "press" doesn't protect McCain because the secret service does just fine without their help keeping little old ladies away from him. And he gets plenty of protection from right wing radio too. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Oct 22 2008, 08:52 AM Post #119 |
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Yeah, scared me too. |
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| Admiralbill_gomec | Oct 22 2008, 08:54 AM Post #120 |
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Oh yes, that scary right wing radio... the only part of the media not controlled by the left (even though they control the print media and the television media and a good portion of the electronic media). But wait, here comes the Fairness Doctrine. |
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