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Joe the Plumber?; Not a plumber. And not even called Joe
Topic Started: Oct 17 2008, 06:00 AM (2,526 Views)
Minuet
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This isn't about me proving that Democrats didn't do this.

It is about accusations that have not been followed up with evidence. Prove to me that "democrats" did this and I will stop.

I am just sick of the partisan sniping. If it was going the other way I would be defending republicans too - you know that. I have defended George Bush against similar unfair sniping many many times.
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Nov 17 2008, 02:44 PM
This isn't about me proving that Democrats didn't do this.

It is about accusations that have not been followed up with evidence. Prove to me that "democrats" did this and I will stop.
Pointing out the affiliation of those responsible is "partisan sniping"?

What do you call atempting to ruin Joe the Plumber because he dared ask Obama a question?

Minuet
Nov 17 2008, 02:44 PM
If it was going the other way I would be defending republicans too - you know that. I have defended George Bush against similar unfair sniping many many times.
Yes, I've always found you to be very fair when casting your argument into each thread. :thmup:
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Nov 17 2008, 03:51 PM
Minuet
Nov 17 2008, 02:44 PM
This isn't about me proving that Democrats didn't do this.

It is about accusations that have not been followed up with evidence. Prove to me that "democrats" did this and I will stop.
Pointing out the affiliation of those responsible is "partisan sniping"?

What do you call atempting to ruin Joe the Plumber because he dared ask Obama a question?

Minuet
Nov 17 2008, 02:44 PM
If it was going the other way I would be defending republicans too - you know that. I have defended George Bush against similar unfair sniping many many times.
Yes, I've always found you to be very fair when casting your argument into every thread. :thmup:
RTW - you don't seem to understand.

Yes - an affiliation is being pointed out. I still don't know that the correct affiliation is being applied.

The ASSUMPTION has been made that those responsible are Democrats. There has been no evidence that they actually are Democrats. That's the issue.

I will assume for the time being that your second comment is meant sincerely and not sarcastically. Thanks.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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"You spin me right round baby right round like a record baby round round right round..."

This sounds like the circular arguments for which this forum is famous.
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Minuet
Nov 17 2008, 02:12 PM
Admiralbill_gomec
Nov 17 2008, 12:11 PM
Minuet
Nov 17 2008, 10:39 AM
Do you elect people to the tax department?
You elect the boss of said department, the Treasurer of the State of Ohio.
However, the Treasurer was not the person who ordered the check on Joe.

from an article earlier in this thread
 
Helen Jones-Kelly, director of the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services, confirmed today that she OK'd the check on Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher following the Oct. 15 presidential debate.
See, this is why I am confused about your complaint.

In this thread you admit that you read the article that stated that the governor of the state of Ohio - who initially said an investigation was unnecessary - was a Democrat. So, you know that the head of Ohio government is a Democrat and you know from the article you quoted that he, at least initially, attempted to cover-up the action of at least one of his DEMOCRATIC appointments.

Nonethless, you have been sniping at people through several pages about NO proof being presented that anyone involved is a Democrat at any point in the thread.

:headscratch:

And, of course, for anyone who has been reading information on the story, it is now well known that not only was Jones-Kelley a full contributor to the Obama campaign, but the governor has had to suspend her because the investigation has discovered evidence that she appears to have used state resources to try and raise money for Obama as well.

I also don't understand your demand that I prove that those who have identified themselves as Democrats during public elections in the state of Ohio actually are Democrats. As I asked, I see no reason to assume that they are lying about their own political affiliation.

So why do you keep demanding it?

Especially, since I do not recall you demanding dS9074 or STC prove that public officials in Engand are indeed the political affiliation that they claim that they are. You have always, as I recall, deferred to the fact that they most likely know more than you about British politics.

In this thread you do not demand Mel or Ngagh or Franko prove the political affiliation of those they discuss. In fact, you say to RTW:

Minuet
 
I didn't see any analogy to the current US situation myself. But I will say that the statement of yours that Ngagh was commenting on showed such gross ignorance of Canada that I was flabbergasted.


It at least implies that you believe that Ngagh - just by being Canadian - could reasonably be assumed to know more about Canadian politics than RTW does.

Now to be clear - I have no problem with you having that view.

What I don't understand is you demand that I - a resident of Ohio for well over 4 decades - have to PROVE the political affliations that I refer to beyond what is easily accessible public knowledge.

One would think that you would act in a consistent matter and defer to my expertise on the subject of Ohio politics just as you clearly have deferred to the expertise of DS9074 and STC and Ngagh, Mel, and Franko in other threads. Instead you accuse me of partisian sniping for not proving to your satisfaction what I have said.

I have to be honest Minuet, You responses relative to political affliation of those discuss give the appearance of a double standard on your part.

:no: :no:

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Wichita - I have asked the same questions over and over BECAUSE NO ONE HAS GIVEN A CLEAR ANSWER.

You are the FIRST person to indicate that the people doing the checks were political appointees.

In Canada our highest level people are appointed. But the people who do the work are simply employees of the government. They do not get hired and fired according to thier political affiliation. Now I will be the first to say that I don't know everything about your political system. But instead of making stupid remarks I gave the courtesy of ASKING. It's more then others on this board have done. It is why I made the remark to RTW. He didn't ASK. He made comments as if they were fact.

Don't yell at me just because no one could be bothered to actually answer me until your most recent post. Yell at those who don't understand the difference between a question and a statement.
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Admiralbill_gomec
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... and on that note, now that we've settled this, we can probably close this one.
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Nov 18 2008, 08:47 AM
Now I will be the first to say that I don't know everything about your political system.
Then why not educate yourself, OR, listen to people who do know more about the American political system?


Minuet
Nov 18 2008, 08:47 AM
But instead of making stupid remarks I gave the courtesy of ASKING. It's more then others on this board have done. It is why I made the remark to RTW. He didn't ASK. He made comments as if they were fact.
You're mad that I accepted Admiral Bill and Wichita's comments/knowledge as fact, or you just being argumentative?


Minuet
Nov 18 2008, 08:47 AM
Don't yell at me just because no one could be bothered to actually answer me until your most recent post.
It was answered.


Minuet
Nov 18 2008, 08:47 AM
Yell at those who don't understand the difference between a question and a statement.
Or a polite request and an apparently argumentative demand.
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RTW - I was refering to the comment you made in the thread Wichita linked.

Keep up with the program.

Oh - and YOU are telling ME to educate myself on American politics???? Read the linked thread and take your own advice :rotfl:
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Nov 18 2008, 11:00 AM
... and on that note, now that we've settled this, we can probably close this one.
Thank you for responding politely.

It's appreciated more then you know.
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Min, *sigh*, from that thread,

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I'm ignorant of a vast array of topics that I find irrelevant. I see no purpose in feigning knowledge of every subject that comes up.
It's still irrelevant to me and I implied as much in the initial statement that you find so funny. It's probably not just me. I'm guessing 99.9% of non-Canadians don't know or care. Is there a reason we should?
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Nov 18 2008, 02:24 PM
Admiralbill_gomec
Nov 18 2008, 11:00 AM
... and on that note, now that we've settled this, we can probably close this one.
Thank you for responding politely.

It's appreciated more then you know.
Are you kidding me? Why don't you do it more often? Try setting the example!

You could have have left your previous response to me at, "RTW - I was refering to the comment you made in the thread Wichita linked." but you did not.

Then to immediately post this is the epitome hypocrisy.
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RTW - I think you are a bit confused.

I also never professed to know everything. The difference between you and I are that in the other thread you made an outright stupid comment about a "vice Prime Minister", a position that does not exist.

I, on the other hand, when faced with something I didn't know ASKED A QUESTION. A question that for some reason people were unwilling to answer until Wichita made her most recent comments.
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Nov 18 2008, 02:41 PM
Minuet
Nov 18 2008, 02:24 PM
Admiralbill_gomec
Nov 18 2008, 11:00 AM
... and on that note, now that we've settled this, we can probably close this one.
Thank you for responding politely.

It's appreciated more then you know.
Are you kidding me? Why don't you do it more often? Try setting the example!

You could have have left your previous response to me at, "RTW - I was refering to the comment you made in the thread Wichita linked." but you did not.

Then to immediately post this is the epitome hypocrisy.
Are you kidding me?????

Why should I be polite to someone who tells me to educate myself on American politics but who can't be bothered to help by answering a few simple questions.

I have never felt the need to be polite to certain individuals who have NEVER taken the time to be polite to me. You made your bed and now you can lie in it.
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Ladies and Gentleman,

We have strayed away from the topic, which is Joe the Plumber. This thread has become a clash of ideas and personalities. It is no longer serving any positive purposes. This thread is closed.

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