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Joe the Plumber?; Not a plumber. And not even called Joe
Topic Started: Oct 17 2008, 06:00 AM (2,531 Views)
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Minuet
Oct 29 2008, 05:34 PM
Dwayne
Oct 29 2008, 01:08 AM
Oops: Inspector general investigating access to Joe the Plumber's personal information

Silly leftists... this one is coming back to bite them in the butt.
Ummm - there is not a shred of evidence in your article that this was done by "leftists".

It is your unsubstantiated accusations that keep coming back to bite you in the butt......
Mmmmm, Minuet ....

I wouldn't be so quick to judge Dwayne. You should be feeling a pain in your backside yourself (it, a bite in the but) by now for your response.

What the paper neglected to say .... hmm, imagine a mainstream paper neglecting a relevant point :chin: ..... was that the person who ordered a check on Joe's personal information was an Obama supporter who donated the maximum amount allowable under law to his campaign.

It did mention that the governor who claims that there was no political intent was a Democrat. It didn't mention that he was on the short list for VP during the primary.

Already the woman who ordered the probe has had to admit that it is more widespread than she originally claimed. She is being questioned quite vigorously by the head of our legislature about her actions. Now, it appears that there is evidence that she lied to her own subordinates to get it down and that her claims of it being "standard opperating procedure" are bogus.

I usually reject outright comments about "leftists" and "right wing nuts" as being overwrought rhetoric, but, in this case, there is evidence that A "leftist" used the power of her position to attempt to intimidate a private citizen into silence for simply asking a question and that A "leftist" (the governor) is using the power of his position to try and cover it up.

And please don't let me hear anyone say that checking on his child support without legal cause isn't deliberate intimidation. They dragged his child into it.

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And Somerled ....

The only one sounding desperate is you.

Why so much venom for someone you regard as SO inconsequential?

If he is worthless as you claim, then he won't make a difference and you don't need to say so over and over and over.

And, since I am a resident of the state when he works and know a bit more about what his experience is than you do, I can state unequivocally that I think that, if I have to call one of them at 3 am, I am going to find Joe more qualified - and cheaper - than Obama to fix my problem.

(For those who don't get it, that was a joke.)

Edited by Wichita, Nov 1 2008, 06:40 AM.
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Wichita, your support on my posts honors me in ways you'll never know.

Thank you.
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Oct 24 2008, 03:26 PM
Minuet
Oct 23 2008, 08:04 AM
IBut I don't quite understand why some people here say that this doctrine would drown out right wing voices. I get that the radio stations would have to air more left wing views to balance the right wing talk shows.

But if the rest of the media is TRUELY so left wing then wouldn't the doctrine aid right wingers in getting thier views aired on TV and in the print press.


Sorry, messed up the quote and deleted my comment:

No, it would not work this way because broadcast media is supposed to be "self policing", and also you have to consider selective enforcement by a government completely controlled by one party with an interest in forcing "right wing broadcast media" to air opposing views.

By the way, print media is not affected by the so-called "Fairness Doctrine" nor is redheaded stepchild electronic media.

Min, here's the problem. The left has had the EXACT SAME OPPORTUNITY to start their own radio network. The did it, too, with Air America. Problem is, it has been a miserable failure and has not been able to compete in the FREE MARKET. If the public wanted more left wing media then why didn't this company boom? Why has conservative radio media continued to grow?
Lookie, lookie!

Chuck Schumer loves the Fairness Doctrine:

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/schumer-defends-fairness-doctrine-as-fair-and-balanced-2008-11-04.html

He also compares conservative talk radio to pornography.

Get ready for Pravda, because Pravda means TRUTH!
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Not the first person to lie to make someone else look bad. Next......
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The final lesson I learned from the Joe the Plumber experience?

That, in Ohio, if you question the prevailing party in a public forum, you risk having every aspect of your personal life investigated without probable cause and made public .... and the prevailing party is fine with private citizens being treated in that fashion.
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Dr. Noah
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Maybe one shouldn't lie to the government if they don't want their lives investigated.
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You seem to be confused, Noah.

When Obama walked up to Joe's house he was in Ohio.

By no definition of the word was Obama "the government".

(And, btw, Joe didn't "lie" in the exchange either ....)

He is a senator from Illinois, not Ohio.

Even if that were true, a Senator has no influence in a state government.

So, your comment is not relevant to this situation.
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Oh, I'm sorry, Obama being a Senator doesn't make him a representative of the government? My mistake.

I don't care what you think is relevant. The man lied and he was caught lying. Being upset about the fact that he was caught lying makes little sense. He was trying to make someone look bad by telling a lie, and hell, the guy doesn't even pay his taxes. So before he gets on his high horse about being an average guy (who claims to make a quarter of a million dollars a year) he should maybe think about paying his fair share. Like the rest of us "average Joes".
Edited by Dr. Noah, Nov 5 2008, 07:26 AM.
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Nov 5 2008, 07:21 AM
You seem to be confused, Noah.

When Obama walked up to Joe's house he was in Ohio.

By no definition of the word was Obama "the government".

(And, btw, Joe didn't "lie" in the exchange either ....)

He is a senator from Illinois, not Ohio.

Even if that were true, a Senator has no influence in a state government.

So, your comment is not relevant to this situation.
How can a man who has no assets ie hasn't paid his owed taxes (presumeably because he hasn't got the money or sufficient assets he can liquidate) , who isn't a qualified or licenced plumber , buy and run a "plumbing" business worth $250,000 per annum (profit ??) ? .... just curious . If he didn't lie then it was delusional pipe dream on his behalf maybe , or he was perhaps paid by someone to confront Obama (convenient that it was recorded by someone eh :rotfl: wonder how many thousands of people Obama met and spoke with on the day and were not recorded ) ?

Are the lenders in your state that free and easy with credit ?
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No, he's just a big, fat liar. He lied to try to make Obama look bad. What's worse is he admitted to being on welfare before and said he didn't think it was right to take other people's money.
So, he's both a liar and a hypocrite and some conservatives have their panties all in a bunch because he got called on it.
Edited by Dr. Noah, Nov 5 2008, 07:37 AM.
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Nov 5 2008, 07:22 AM
Oh, I'm sorry, Obama being a Senator doesn't make him a representative of the government? My mistake.

I don't care what you think is relevant. The man lied and he was caught lying. Being upset about the fact that he was caught lying makes little sense. He was trying to make someone look bad by telling a lie, and hell, the guy doesn't even pay his taxes. So before he gets on his high horse about being an average guy (who claims to make a quarter of a million dollars a year) he should maybe think about paying his fair share. Like the rest of us "average Joes".
So, you are claiming that the Senator from Illinois is a government official in Ohio?

O..... K ..... :rolleyes:

You still haven't state what "lie" Joe supposedly told.

He never said he was making $250,000 when he asked the question so it can't be that.

But, it is good to know that you think that it is OK to tear into people's private information and release it to the public for comments they make.

Most people would say that there should be "probable cause" of a crime actually being committed before the records even looked into and even then it should not be released unless it is in a trial.

Oh, sometime you should check the deliquent tax list when it is posted in the paper. We used to do it on breaks from my first job in college (which was related to land use planning). We knew a number of names listed because they were quite prominent in the communty. There are many reasons for tax liens. One judge got a million dollar lien placed on his house because someone was mad at him for giving him a traffic ticket.
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Nov 5 2008, 07:30 AM
If he didn't lie then it was delusional pipe dream on his behalf maybe
Finally, you get it.

He hoped to buy a business someday and wondered what effect Obama's tax plans would have on his plans if they came to pass.

See how simply situations can be explained when you put all conspiracy theories behind.

There is no law against dreams and hopes.
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Nov 5 2008, 07:35 AM
No, he's just a big, fat liar. He lied to try to make Obama look bad. What's worse is he admitted to being on welfare before and said he didn't think it was right to take other people's money.
So, he's both a liar and a hypocrite and some conservatives have their panties all in a bunch because he got called on it.
Well, since his entire exchange with Obama was recorded, there is no reason you cannot post his comments and provide documentation of what you have claimed.
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But there is a law against not paying your taxes.

The man also said all this on national TV. If you don't want your life "torn into" maybe you shouldn't lie on national TV. He said he was a plumber, which he is not. He said he wants to buy a business that makes a quarter of a million dollars a year, which was a pie in the sky fantasy. Not anywhere close to reality.
Edited by Dr. Noah, Nov 5 2008, 07:43 AM.
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