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Possible 1st Round Pick Coming From New Orleans?
Topic Started: Jul 22 2008, 11:35 AM (93 Views)
Gene
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It's a long shot and probably won't happen, but this was an interesting item from today's N.Y. Daily News..............



[size=7]Off chance Giants could end up with Saints' first-rounder[/size]

Back in April the Giants were holding out for a first-round pick in return for Jeremy Shockey. And though it’s a longshot, they still could get one.

That’s because the second-round pick that the Saints sent to the Giants as part of the Shockey trade could end up going to the Jets as part of the Jonathan Vilma deal. And if that happens, the Saints would have to send the Giants their first-round pick in 2010 instead.

How could that happen?

Well, back in February, the Jets shipped Vilma to the Saints for a fourth-round pick in the 2008 draft and a conditional second- or third-rounder in 2009. According to the conditions of the trade, if Vilma plays in 85 percent of the defensive plays this season and signs a contract extension with the team, the ‘09 pick would be in the second round.

Since that’s the same second-rounder the Saints included in their deal with the Giants, when they agreed to ship a second- and a fifth-rounder in 2009 for Shockey, they obviously wouldn’t be able to complete that deal as is. So instead, they’d have to ship their 2010 first-round pick to the Giants.

Of course the odds of that happening are slim since the Saints control everything in that scenario. Not only could they hold back Vilma’s playing time if he approaches 85 percent, but they also could simply wait to sign him to a contract extension.

So don’t count on getting the first-rounder. But at least it’s a possibility.


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Since the NFC South is such a pushover division I can see the Saints holding back Vilma's playing time and simply not giving him an extention.

On the other hand what happens if the Saints are in a dog fight to make the playoffs? Do you sit him and chance missing the post season?

What if Vilma is having a Pro Bowl season? Do you not extend a Pro Bowl LBer to save that #1?

Getting the Saints #1 probably isn't going to happen, but it's an interesting scenario nonetheless..........
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How is that "legal"? How can they trade a draft pick that they may or may not have? Not that I'd mind getting a first round pick out of the deal, but it's 2 years away! How can they give us something they already gave the Jests? (Well, may have given the Jests.)

And, BTW, that sucks for Vilma too! It sucks that teams are that "shady" & will hold back your playing time so they can diminish your "worth"!
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KCGirl
Jul 22 2008, 01:12 PM

And, BTW, that sucks for Vilma too! It sucks that teams are that "shady" & will hold back your playing time so they can diminish your "worth"!

You know that does open up a can of worms I never thought of.

What happens if Vilma is having a kick ass season? Does he have an incentive laden deal? Would the Players Union get involved if he were being benched?

Can't say that's far fetched, because didn't the Union force the Eagles to return TO to the active roster when they were deactivating him?
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Wasn't Jacobs something like 41 yards from reaching a $1mil incentive last season?

I thought it was him. Could be someone else entirely
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If Vilma does have an incentive, or any, incentive clauses in his contract, and they tried to hold up ANY production, the union, and the league, would be all over the Saints. It would not be in their best interest to cause themselves that much trouble over a conditional pick scenario... then again, who knows what they think?

And, it wouldn't be beyond the possibilities to set up an under-the-table deal with Vilma to get him his money if it looks like he is approaching his "quota". He gets paid and gets to take a rest because of a "bad ankle" or something. Not likely, but, possible.

As is everything in this discussion, I reckon... :lol:
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BlueSunday
Jul 22 2008, 07:09 PM
Wasn't Jacobs something like 41 yards from reaching a $1mil incentive last season?

I thought it was him. Could be someone else entirely

It was Jacobs. :yes:
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It will have nothing to do with the 85% playing time. They simply wouldn't extend him until after the deadline. I would assume there's a deadline, no? Or is it whether they EVER extend him? They tell him why they have to wait...and that's that. The league could never say, "you have to extend him now", that's just silly.

Nice thought though.
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I don't think Jacobs not reaching his "incentive goal" was because the Giants didn't want him to. He spent some time banged up & stuff....

Than again, it could have been the Giants that "blocked" him from reaching it I guess. Anything is possible.....
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Nah. The Giants didn't hold back Jacobs.
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27Hampton
Jul 22 2008, 09:08 PM
I would assume there's a deadline, no? Or is it whether they EVER extend him?

Now that you mention it I'm sure there must be some sort of time limit that wasn't mentioned........if not then the League just might have one huge clusterfuck on its hands.
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Right, I'm wondering how we can confirm that. Because I'll tell you what, if the stipulation is whether the Saints EVER resign him -without a deadline- and the Saints are a playoff team, the chances of us getting that pick are actually pretty decent.


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Jul 23 2008, 06:57 PM
Right, I'm wondering how we can confirm that. Because I'll tell you what, if the stipulation is whether the Saints EVER resign him -without a deadline- and the Saints are a playoff team, the chances of us getting that pick are actually pretty decent.

Who's their back up QB?
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According to the conditions of the trade, if Vilma plays in 85 percent of the defensive plays this season and signs a contract extension with the team, the ‘09 pick would be in the second round.


He has to do both this season in order for the pick to be elevated to a 2nd rounder. Maybe they didn't word it as clearly as they should have. They'd have had to add extra compensation and not elevate the pick from a 3rd to a 2nd in '09, otherwise.
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You mean from a 2nd to a 1st?

So if he was re-signed on the day after their season ends, that would save them the 1st rounder, correct?

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I'm sure there has to be a set date. I wonder if even after the season ends, but before the draft he signs an extension it would count as this season since next season hadn't technically started?

All I know is once the draft goes off, there's no going back. So it can't be an if they EVER re-sign him thing.
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