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| 27Hampton | Jul 21 2008, 06:50 PM Post #31 |
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My point was about leadership, not about how long it took for them to start playing well. If you're referring to the fact that it took them a while to become leaders, I disagree. Do you think Bradshaw or Elway or Marino would have stood for Shockey's antics? Do you think they would have established who the leader was? Hypothetically, if any of the great QBs and great leaders were put in this position, I don't think ANYBODY would be talking about how Shockey was traded in order to allow Marino to be the leader of the team. |
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| 27Hampton | Jul 21 2008, 06:51 PM Post #32 |
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Was anybody listening to WFAN today around 6:20? "Rick in the car". ?? |
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| Mr.Husker | Jul 21 2008, 07:19 PM Post #33 |
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its a great move if we make the playoffs.... if we dont it was a suck move..... i for one am glad, shockey let himself became a major distraction. and quite frankly hes the one that looks like a douchebag, not the giants... |
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| cyberstorm | Jul 21 2008, 07:37 PM Post #34 |
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something to think about that no one has spoken about,especially the timing. Maybe Reese didn't think there was a player on the draft board when the Saints were picking,and decided to take a chance that Shockey would not be such an ass. Who was there with the Saints' 2nd round pick?There was not that big a difference between Manningham and the recievers sitting there,a lot of people were frothing at the mouth about Conner falling,but he fell into the 3rd.No linemen on either side worth that pick. |
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| 10Giants | Jul 21 2008, 07:48 PM Post #35 |
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If you're referring to the fact that it took them a while to become leaders, I disagree. Disagree or not, most of them were NOT the leaders on their teams when they got there. Do you think Bradshaw or Elway or Marino would have stood for Shockey's antics? Do you think they would have established who the leader was? Elway in his rookie year was pretty lost so I doubt how much he would have gone after a Shockey. Bradshaw was still fighting with Hanratty and Gilliam in his 5th season to be starter so I don't think he was ruling the locker room either. Marino and Peyton were exceptions to the rule. All this presupposes that there is much, if any merit to the idea that Shockey was inhibiting Eli's development. I don't buy that he was. |
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| 27Hampton | Jul 21 2008, 07:55 PM Post #36 |
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Not a bad point Cyber, but quite honestly....I tend to doubt it. Firstly, the trade would have been complete well before the selections that you had mentioned. Secondly, it would lead one to believe that they felt next year's second round choices were more valuable. I just don't think they would operate that way. Especially given the fact that they would have certainly drafted a TE if we traded him prior to draft day. The more suitable scenario. I really think it came down to the argument with Reese. He signed his ticket so to speak. |
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| 27Hampton | Jul 21 2008, 08:02 PM Post #37 |
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My impression of them is that they wouldn't put up with somebody throwing their hands up in the air after a bad pass. I would have to think that most would be in that camp as well. I don't care if they were starters, scrubs, great players, or practice squad players. A leader is a leader, whether you're taking some, half or all the snaps. So I suppose your view is that in practice, receivers would step all over Bradshaw and he'd accept it because he was still fighting for his job in his 5th season? Do you think Drew Brees is going to put up with that shit? Or are Marino and Peyton really the exception? |
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| Hadron | Jul 21 2008, 08:42 PM Post #38 |
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Collins, Sehorn and now Shockey. Need a new jersey! |
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| cyberstorm | Jul 21 2008, 08:45 PM Post #39 |
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Guarenteed that if there was somebody Reese really had high on his draft board when the Saints were up he would have pulled the trigger. And also,he probably thought that none of the TEs at that spot were any better than what we have now. |
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| 27Hampton | Jul 21 2008, 08:59 PM Post #40 |
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I disagree. And we would not have taken a TE in the 2nd round. |
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| Mr.Husker | Jul 21 2008, 09:55 PM Post #41 |
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not a chance |
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| cyberstorm | Jul 21 2008, 10:00 PM Post #42 |
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my God Gil Brandt is going senile. OK,he still has a great eye for talent,and still gloats about Kevin Boss,but predicting Boss will go to the Pro Bowl this year? Forget the fact he still calls Uminyora Usi Usimora(or some version) And this gem tonight.. " You know,the Bears have such a great home fiels advantage playing at Wrigley Field........" HRUUUUUUH? |
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| ChgoNYGfemFan | Jul 22 2008, 01:01 AM Post #43 |
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Where the fuck have been??? I need to start to DVR sportscenter every night during the week b/c Lord knows I don't watch TV during the week and I'll be able to catch up on the weekends. Or maybe just fucking move to NY or NJ I feel so out of it |
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| KCGirl | Jul 22 2008, 12:19 PM Post #44 |
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Move to NY/NJ!!!!!!!!!!! BLUEEEEEEEEEE, who is going to run us down, smellin' like Strawberry Gatorade this year?!?!?!?!?!?
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| BlueHeart | Jul 22 2008, 06:21 PM Post #45 |
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I don't know. Almost everyone who has ever wounded me, that I wounded, that busted us in the weirdest predicaments are gone.... |
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