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| 12C | Jan 31 2008, 09:54 PM Post #1 |
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Let me tell you something, pendejo.
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Paul Schwartz of the NY Post had a problem. A column to file. A deadline to meet. No news to report. Nothing a little worthless dreck lifted almost exclusively from another source couldn't cure: Ex-Giant says team doesn't miss Shockey by PAUL SCHWARTZ, New York Post Thursday, January 31, 2008 GLENDALE, Ariz. - To a man, the Giants say they are not a better team without injured tight end Jeremy Shockey, and that they wish he was here joining in this wild Super Bowl ride. One former Giants player, however, says Shockey was more trouble than he was worth, and those privy to the offensive inner-workings of the team are relieved he's not on the scene. "I've been there, I've been in that locker room, I know how guys feel, I know how people in that organization feel," Tim Hasselbeck, a Giants backup quarterback in 2005 and 2006, said yesterday on the "Mike and Murray Show" on Sirius Satellite Radio. "People there are relieved he's not around. There's this big stink about his being on injured reserve. How come he's not on the sideline supporting his team? Let me tell you something, they don't want him there. They're going to say all the right things, 'Oh yeah, we'd love to have him around' and all that stuff because he's their teammate, he's under contract next year and you can't do that. But when they're talking to people and it's not necessarily being reported they don't want him around. He's a distraction." As a quarterback, Hasselbeck of course was involved in the offensive meetings and was a teammate of Shockey's for two seasons. Shockey on Dec. 16 broke his leg in a loss to the Redskins and since then, the Giants are 4-1 and on a shocking playoff roll with rookie Kevin Boss taking his place in the starting lineup. Eli Manning has flourished in the past four games, all without Shockey, leading some to speculate Manning is more relaxed without the pressure of getting the high-strung Shockey the ball. Count Hasselbeck among those making that claim. "Eli is playing better without him because he doesn't feel like he has to force the ball to him," Hasselbeck said. "I was in the offensive meetings where they said 'Listen, we need to get the ball to Jeremy early to keep him involved so he doesn't start going crazy.' Any time you have to start forcing the football to somebody to keep them happy it's not good and bad things happen." No one can deny Shockey's talent or intensity but sometimes, Hasselbeck said, it went way overboard. "Listen, guys on the team don't not like Jeremy Shockey from the standpoint the guy always came to play. He was always a hard worker, he would play through injuries, he was tough and it meant a lot to him, so in a lot of ways he was a great teammate," Hasselbeck said. "I think the throwing the helmet on the sideline and just the pouting and the screaming and the yelling, I think it just became a distraction for that offense and honestly it wasn't something Eli was able to deal with in a manner to kind of put an end to it. The head coach wasn't, the offensive coordinator wasn't, it was one of those things where Jeremy became bigger than everything else. "I don't think anyone looked at the situation when Jeremy was healthy and said, 'Hey, if he was not here we'd be doing better.' I think people are a little bit surprised by it but it without a doubt is the case." __________________________________________ Funny, I don't see New England beat writers filing inflammatory hit pieces about personality issues that may exist in the Patriots locker room. I don't see any of them "supporting" their team by publicizing closed-door subject matter with the potential of stirring discord among teammates three days before the biggest game of their lives. What a cunt. Tim Hasselbeck, too. What possible motivation could he have to go on national radio, dis Shockey, and offer his pronouncement upon what "they" (as in "the entire team") privately feel about his absence? I wonder what they feel about his.
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| cyberstorm | Jan 31 2008, 10:19 PM Post #2 |
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Most Metal Giants fan
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Wrong Shockey ran the wrong routes because he never bothered to practice in the offseason In an option route principle offense,you have to all be on the same page Shockey ran wherever he wanted to regardless of the defense ,causeing at least 1/3rd of Eli's ints. Shockey not in line up,everyone running and reading the same thing as QB,ball goes to right spot,reciever in right spot,Eli is confident ball and reciever will be in right spot,Eli gets more confident there is everything in a nutshell,its not Shockey's attitude,its his ignorance of the offensive sceme. |
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| 12C | Jan 31 2008, 11:51 PM Post #3 |
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Let me tell you something, pendejo.
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Cyber, I don't disagree. We've all discussed these very things ad nauseam. I also believe that, in addition to the things you mention, Shock's departure also had a positive impact on Eli's ability to relax, settle into his role as leader of the offense and turn his season around over these last five games. My beef is with the Post & Schwartz for publishing this dead horse now. It can only have a negative impact in the locker room. |
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| cyberstorm | Feb 1 2008, 12:25 AM Post #4 |
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Most Metal Giants fan
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Oh yeah,that too The media can't hate on Eli any more so they have to find something else to bash AGAIN,(Barbaro is in for another beating),the NY media sucks the living suck out of suck |
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| Gene | Feb 1 2008, 10:45 AM Post #5 |
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Down & Out
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And the Giants respond....... New York Post: 2/1/08 |
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| KCGirl | Feb 1 2008, 04:14 PM Post #6 |
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Shaper of Young Minds (aaahhhhhh!)
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Giants better off without Shockey? Not quite By Jeffri Chadiha ESPN.com PHOENIX -- New York Giants tight end Jeremy Shockey doesn't like talking over the phone, so he's been sending constant text messages to his teammates during Super Bowl week. They know it's killing him to be sidelined with a broken left leg and they understand why he hasn't shown up in Phoenix yet. This should be one of the most satisfying weeks of his career, an event he's dreamed of all his life. Instead, it will probably be one of the most bittersweet moments he's ever experienced. The strangest part of this story, however, isn't that Shockey continues to rehabilitate back in Miami while the Giants prepare to face New England in Super Bowl XLII. It's that he's somehow become a topic of conversation during a week when there are plenty of other things to talk about. The question, for those who haven't heard it yet, is whether the Giants might be a better team without Shockey. The answer, for those who came to this space searching for an opinion, is that they aren't. Make no mistake about this: The Giants would love to have Shockey available on Sunday. As much as they've benefited from the contributions of younger tight ends Kevin Boss and Mike Matthews, Shockey is a Pro Bowl-caliber player who's produced 371 receptions and 27 touchdowns during his six-year career. "A lot has been made about [the impact of Shockey's loss] but I've always liked Jeremy's personality and his attitude," said Giants center Shaun O'Hara. "I know how hard it is for him to not be here. I also know that he's learned a lot about how to be more of a team player, just like everybody else on this team has this season." The main reason the Giants defend Shockey so vigorously is that they think he's misunderstood. While outsiders might wonder about his more publicized moments -- the controversial comments earlier in his career, the way he chirps at quarterback Eli Manning to get him the ball, the animated histrionics that can leave the impression that he's just another spoiled, attention-seeking star -- his teammates see a guy who cares plenty about winning. In fact, they stressed that Shockey didn't come to Arizona because he feared he'd be a distraction. They think the last thing he wants to do this week is talk publicly about a game that won't include him. So it really doesn't matter to the Giants that Shockey has been mostly absent since sustaining his injury in a 22-10 loss to Washington on Dec. 16. He's helped them this season with his production (57 receptions, 619 yards and three touchdowns) and his energy. "I'd love for Shockey to be here but the fact is that he's hurt and he's not playing," said Giants cornerback R.W. McQuarters. "And if he was here, the media would be asking all kinds of questions and they'd want to know everything he'd been doing since he got hurt. He probably doesn't want to deal with all that. If I were in his shoes, I'd feel the same way." The only thing that is quite apparent about Shockey's absence is that the Giants lack a vibrant personality on offense now. There isn't a vocal player like defensive end Michael Strahan or middle linebacker Antonio Pierce, and please don't say wide receiver Plaxico Burress falls into that category. He may have made news with his guarantee of a Giants win earlier this week, but he's as laid-back as they come. Now, there can be a argument made for Manning's prospering as a leader in recent weeks -- without Shockey or former Giants running back Tiki Barber around, there isn't an outgoing personality for Manning to defer to -- but Manning could've matured regardless of the circumstances. If anything, Shockey's absence has allowed the Giants to learn quite a bit about the other weapons in their passing game. The most notable clearly has been rookie Steve Smith, who's developed into the third receiver the Giants have lacked since Manning came into the league in 2004. Smith's ability to produce in critical passing situations has made the loss of Shockey much easier to stomach in New York. Head coach Tom Coughlin added that the Giants have tried to avoid massive adjustments to their offense to compensate for the loss of Shockey. "We tried not to change a whole lot," Coughlin said. "We've utilized some other personnel combinations and we've also played a couple of young tight ends -- Kevin Boss and Mike Matthews -- that Jeremy has really helped bring along. Jeremy was an outstanding blocker as well as an outstanding receiver, so you do have a difficult time trying to maintain the same level of play. But these guys have done well." Of course, it still would be nice to see Shockey in town at some point. There hasn't been any definitive news on when he'll arrive, but the Giants maintain it will be before Sunday. They added that he'd be just as passionate about cheering them on from the sidelines as he would if he were playing. That has been his personality for as long as they've known him and they don't see him sulking now. The question, however, is whether the perception of Shockey will be different. After all, just the mere fact that people are discussing his value means one of two things: (1) It's a pretty slow news week or (2) His reputation has taken a major hit. To be honest, the Giants might claim that both factors have plenty to do with Shockey's image right now. And as far as they're concerned, there's something really wrong with that situation. |
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| Gene | Feb 1 2008, 06:26 PM Post #7 |
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Regardless of the outcome of Sunday's game it's gooing to be interesting to see where Shockey is going to work out during the Spring. ;) |
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| G1.. | Feb 1 2008, 06:49 PM Post #8 |
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...................if he is still here? :whistle:
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| 12C | Feb 1 2008, 10:37 PM Post #9 |
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Let me tell you something, pendejo.
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Why wouldn't he be? He's an all-pro caliber TE under contract. |
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| 12C | Feb 2 2008, 09:06 AM Post #10 |
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Let me tell you something, pendejo.
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Shock-ing Turn of Events Jeremy in town to root on teammates. |
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| G1.. | Feb 2 2008, 09:22 AM Post #11 |
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If there is any credence to what is being said about him,it would benifit the Giants to maybe trade him to Miami and get some good young picks for him. :yes: |
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| 12C | Feb 2 2008, 10:11 AM Post #12 |
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Let me tell you something, pendejo.
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Do I take from the nodding smilie that that is what you would prefer to see happen? |
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| G1.. | Feb 2 2008, 10:17 AM Post #13 |
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I like him, he is what you want in a player and a team mate.I do believe however this would be good for everyone,we can get some good young players Reese seems to know what he's doing and I think Shockey might be happier there where he can and will be the #1 target for whoever the QB will be there. |
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