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Please Grade draft for the giants.
Topic Started: Apr 28 2007, 10:25 PM (242 Views)
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When talking coverage, the pass rush has a lot to do with it, but that's usually generated by the front 4, not the front 7.

Fact of the matter is, there are very few special pass rushers from the LB position. Even then, it's only showcased when they blitz and even that is based on their ability to get to the QB. Otherwise, it's the front 4 that apply pressure and the secondary and LBs that provide coverage. Granted it's a little different in a 3-4, but we don't play that here anymore.

So, who's the great pass-rushing LB we should have taken? Oh, there wasn't one? In that case, better to take the chance on the corner.
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InsightToRiot
May 1 2007, 01:01 AM
When talking coverage, the pass rush has a lot to do with it, but that's usually generated by the front 4, not the front 7.

Fact of the matter is, there are very few special pass rushers from the LB position. Even then, it's only showcased when they blitz and even that is based on their ability to get to the QB. Otherwise, it's the front 4 that apply pressure and the secondary and LBs that provide coverage. Granted it's a little different in a 3-4, but we don't play that here anymore.

So, who's the great pass-rushing LB we should have taken? Oh, there wasn't one? In that case, better to take the chance on the corner.

That's the biggest bunch of crap ......ever! :wacko:
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BlueSunday
Apr 30 2007, 05:17 PM
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Apr 30 2007, 04:04 PM
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Apr 29 2007, 08:32 PM
Giantone
Apr 29 2007, 01:48 PM
BlueSunday
Apr 29 2007, 11:00 AM
G1   <-----  The only Giant fan on the planet who was satisfied with our secondary for the last 3 years :lol:


I agree we need a LB, but dude...you can't be serious. CB wasn't a dire need?!

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BS

Never said satisfied but you'ed have to be crazy to think that all the problems were just the DBs............again without a good front 7 you can't have good DB's ........face it we blue this draft big time . :wacko:

With decent DB's, you can have the best front 7 in the league and you'll still get badly burned by passing teams. Guys still have to cover back there, even with a monster pass rush. You ain't getting to the QB every single time

You are alone in your mindset because I sure as hell don't understand that thought process of yours :dunno:

Right back at ya Blue ,it'ain't often but this time you are wrong. :yes: :whistle:

Then why have DB's at all? Lets just build the nastiest front 7 known to man. QB's will be so scared that they'll just hand the ball to us every down. Their guys will be wide open downfield but hey....give the front 7 the ball or they'll wipe the fuckin' floor with ya and send ya home in a pine box

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We don't need no stinkin' DB's!












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BS,

Look your front 7 seven do more than "pass rush" they contain ,apply pressure ,fill holes, cover in the flat,stop the run..........which in turn by doing all that leave your DB's with the ability to cover instead of coming up and making the tackle.Also by having a good front 7 you stop the others team ability to flood your side of scrimage ....why do we keep Shockey into block????

Blue said ,
"Then why have DB's at all? Lets just build the nastiest front 7 known to man."

Remember when we did have that .......we won a super bowl! :yes:
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which in turn by doing all that leave your DB's with the ability to cover instead of coming up and making the tackle



We didn't have any that could do either

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May 1 2007, 03:59 PM
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which in turn by doing all that leave your DB's with the ability to cover instead of coming up and making the tackle



We didn't have any that could do either

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Blue,

I'm not looking for a fight ,I gave you my opinion.If you want a fight your buddy seems to want one. :blkeye:
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I'm not looking for a fight either, dude. I'm giving you my opinion, you told me it was wrong, so I'm making my points to prove otherwise. Looks like a few other people agree with me. No worries
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May 1 2007, 04:11 PM
I'm not looking for a fight either, dude. I'm giving you my opinion, you told me it was wrong, so I'm making my points to prove otherwise. Looks like a few other people agree with me. No worries

How was our front 7 when we did this?







Defense Records: Interceptions

Records updated through the 2005 season

Most Seasons Leading League
10 N.Y. Giants, 1933, 1937-39, 1944, 1948, 1951, 1954, 1961, 1997


Most Passes Intercepted By, Season
49 San Diego, 1961
42 Green Bay, 1943
41 N.Y. Giants, 1951


Most Passes Intercepted By, Game
9 Green Bay vs. Detroit, Oct. 24, 1943
Philadelphia vs. Pittsburgh, Dec. 12, 1965
8 N.Y. Giants vs. Green Bay, Nov. 21, 1948
Philadelphia vs. Chi. Cardinals, Sept. 24, 1950
N.Y. Giants vs. N.Y. Yanks, Dec. 16, 1951
Houston vs. Denver, Dec. 2, 1962
Detroit vs. Chicago, Sept. 22, 1968
N.Y. Jets vs. Baltimore, Sept. 23, 1973
7 By many teams. Last time:
Cleveland vs. Detroit, Sept. 23, 2001



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QB's will be so scared that they'll just hand the ball to us every down.











Do you think that's possible????

You may have something here bro.............. :P
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Giantone
May 1 2007, 06:08 PM
BlueSunday
May 1 2007, 04:11 PM
I'm not looking for a fight either, dude. I'm giving you my opinion, you told me it was wrong, so I'm making my points to prove otherwise. Looks like a few other people agree with me. No worries

How was our front 7 when we did this?







Defense Records: Interceptions

Records updated through the 2005 season

Most Seasons Leading League
10 N.Y. Giants, 1933, 1937-39, 1944, 1948, 1951, 1954, 1961, 1997


Most Passes Intercepted By, Season
49 San Diego, 1961
42 Green Bay, 1943
41 N.Y. Giants, 1951


Most Passes Intercepted By, Game
9 Green Bay vs. Detroit, Oct. 24, 1943
Philadelphia vs. Pittsburgh, Dec. 12, 1965
8 N.Y. Giants vs. Green Bay, Nov. 21, 1948
Philadelphia vs. Chi. Cardinals, Sept. 24, 1950
N.Y. Giants vs. N.Y. Yanks, Dec. 16, 1951
Houston vs. Denver, Dec. 2, 1962
Detroit vs. Chicago, Sept. 22, 1968
N.Y. Jets vs. Baltimore, Sept. 23, 1973
7 By many teams. Last time:
Cleveland vs. Detroit, Sept. 23, 2001

I'll ask you point blank:

Do DB's matter? I mean....at all??

Or is a front 7 the only thing that makes a defense great? :dunno:
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May 1 2007, 08:21 PM
QB's will be so scared that they'll just hand the ball to us every down.











Do you think that's possible????

You may have something here bro.............. :P

I wish it were that easy :D
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May 1 2007, 07:27 PM
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May 1 2007, 08:21 PM
QB's will be so scared that they'll just hand the ball to us every down.











Do you think that's possible????

You may have something here bro.............. :P

I wish it were that easy :D

You mean you were funning us?? They won't really do that????

Ah man.............I was looking forward to that this season............shit..... :irked:
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Now don't get me wrong, I'm not saying this is the main cause, but isn't it rather ironic that the last time we had what was considered a top 5 CB was in 2000?

I'll just let that marinate.


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May 1 2007, 07:27 PM
Giantone
May 1 2007, 06:08 PM
BlueSunday
May 1 2007, 04:11 PM
I'm not looking for a fight either, dude. I'm giving you my opinion, you told me it was wrong, so I'm making my points to prove otherwise. Looks like a few other people agree with me. No worries

How was our front 7 when we did this?







Defense Records: Interceptions

Records updated through the 2005 season

Most Seasons Leading League
10 N.Y. Giants, 1933, 1937-39, 1944, 1948, 1951, 1954, 1961, 1997


Most Passes Intercepted By, Season
49 San Diego, 1961
42 Green Bay, 1943
41 N.Y. Giants, 1951


Most Passes Intercepted By, Game
9 Green Bay vs. Detroit, Oct. 24, 1943
Philadelphia vs. Pittsburgh, Dec. 12, 1965
8 N.Y. Giants vs. Green Bay, Nov. 21, 1948
Philadelphia vs. Chi. Cardinals, Sept. 24, 1950
N.Y. Giants vs. N.Y. Yanks, Dec. 16, 1951
Houston vs. Denver, Dec. 2, 1962
Detroit vs. Chicago, Sept. 22, 1968
N.Y. Jets vs. Baltimore, Sept. 23, 1973
7 By many teams. Last time:
Cleveland vs. Detroit, Sept. 23, 2001

I'll ask you point blank:

Do DB's matter? I mean....at all??

Or is a front 7 the only thing that makes a defense great? :dunno:

Every position matters .....with that said our major need was LBer not DB we fucked up. :nyg:
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May 1 2007, 03:27 PM
That's the biggest bunch of crap ......ever! :wacko:

How is that crap? Are you telling me that LBs provide the constant pressure to make average DBs good?

I'm not saying they can't play a part, but in most defensive systems they only blitz about 30% of the time. It's a situational thing. Minus the blitz, it's on the front 4, not the front 7 to provide the pressure to help the DBs.

Had you said that the front 7 is essential to overall defense, I'd agree because of the run stopping ability of a great front 7 and because of it, the ablility to put offenses in more 2nd/3rd and long situations. That doesn't help when you constantly get burned in those situations because of a lack of coverage though. Even the greatest rushes get picked up at times.

At the same time, when you bring up numbers from teams of the 30's, 40's and 50's it makes me think you're not in touch with todays game. Not that the basic principles have changes, but look at the amount of good to great LBs found in later rounds or converted from college DEs. Then consider their prices in FA. Now look at how many good to great corners there are in the league and the market for them in FA. There's a reason why there's an impetus placed on certain positions higher in the draft.

Nate Clements, a good, but not great corner recieved $22 million in garaunteed money from San Francisco. Adalius Thomas, a good and getting better LB, recieved $15 million in garaunteed money from New England. Now if the talent is equal, where is the better value in taking someone in the first round? There are quality LBs found in FA, later rounds of the draft and even undrafted all the time. How many good corners are found that way? Where's the better value?

Show me a list of good starting CBs drafted on day 2 and I'll show you 2-3 times as many LBs. Like it or not, with free agency and the salary cap, part of the draft is a supply and demand thing. There's a much greater supply of LBs and therefore it's more important to find homegrown talent at DB. Not to mention, it was just as much, if not more of a need than LB for us.
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