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What happened to Plax?
Topic Started: Dec 24 2005, 04:47 PM (166 Views)
Rick5
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Toomer seems more like the #1 guy now.
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I guess after his hot start opposing D's are coming up with schemes to keep the ball away from him thus opening up the field for Toomer.


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Thats basically what it boils down to.

Hines Ward is a decent WR and all, but how much do you think he is missing Plax since Plax was the one being double covered all the time?
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PLAX is playing the same way he played in Pittsburgh, he dissappears when you need him, and he's a LAZY bastard, there has been many times I have seen wideouts go back for the ball when it's under thrown, plax expects the ball to come to him, many times this year he just stood around like a fool and let ELI get intercepted, he's no where close to the top tier wideout like Harrison, TO, or Chad johnson, these guy constantly get Double team and still make plays, personally I think we overpaid for him, look at moss when Ramsey under threw the ball he came back for for it, and broke out of Allens crappy tackle and went 72 yards.
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PLAX is playing the same way he played in Pittsburgh, he dissappears when you need him, and he's a LAZY bastard, there has been many times I have seen wideouts go back for the ball when it's under thrown, plax expects the ball to come to him, many times this year he just stood around like a fool and let ELI get intercepted, he's no where close to the top tier wideout like Harrison, TO, or Chad johnson, these guy constantly get Double team and still make plays, personally I think we overpaid for him, look at moss when Ramsey under threw the ball he came back for for it, and broke out of Allens crappy tackle and went 72 yards.

<_< I have to say I disagre with your take .Plax has played well in my book Eli is the one stuggling .
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not taking anything away from Toomer but much of his success is due to single coverage which Plax doesnt get the luxury of seeing. Defensive schemes to stop Plax are pretty obvious, we're a much better team because of him. Yeah he should have caught that 50yarder but he also has close to 70 catches and over 1,000 yards this season.
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barran21
Dec 26 2005, 06:48 AM
PLAX is playing the same way he played in Pittsburgh, he dissappears when you need him, and he's a LAZY bastard, there has been many times I have seen wideouts go back for the ball when it's under thrown, plax expects the ball to come to him, many times this year he just stood around like a fool and let ELI get intercepted, he's no where close to the top tier wideout like Harrison, TO, or Chad johnson, these guy constantly get Double team and still make plays, personally I think we overpaid for him, look at moss when Ramsey under threw the ball he came back for for it, and broke out of Allens crappy tackle and went 72 yards.

<_< I have to say I disagre with your take .Plax has played well in my book Eli is the one stuggling .

If Plax played "well", then why did he drop that pass from Eli on the first play of that game??? And why did Plax miss on that throw wich ended up to be a Toomer TD??? I thought Eli played well, despite losing by 15. Plax just dissapeared when the Jints needed a deep threat, and during when the Jints had a chance to eliminate the Skins from the playoffs and clinch the NFC East, whereas Santana showed up for his team and torched your secondary like a bale of hay!!!
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Ward doesn't appear to be missing Burress too much as he is only slightly below last year and has missed one game this year. Rothlesburger doesn't appear to be suffering too much either.

My view of Burress is somewhere between the "he is lazy" and the "its all Eli's fault" school. He has had a rep for being productive but also for dropping passes and has done so this year. He probably leads the Giants there. The drop in Washington was a big momentum breaker, but drops happen even to the best. He should do more to adjust to balls when they are not right to him. I'm not saying he never does but his consistency here needs to pick up. He has a big size advantage over most DB's and should be able to use it more than he already does. That all said he has pretty much delivered what was expected and even a bit more.

Toomer has no doubt benefitted from having the huge upgrade that Burress was over Hilliard, but he has also shown that he is still a force when he is healthy. This duo, along with Shockey should give defenses headaches for a few more years. I also heard Amani interviewed on the radio after the game and it is a stretch to think he was blaming Eli.
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Burress is a lazy player, that is pretty evident. He's not a good blocker, he gives up on routes and takes plays off. Not too much different from a fair percentage of receivers in this league....but not the top notch receivers. That's what separates him from being in that top group imo.

He has made some nice adjustments and taken INT's away from otherwise errant throws. Yet not consistently enough. When you're "a playmaker" you have to make plays. Not when you want, but all the time.

Let's talk about that first play Saturday.....thrown about 2 beats too short (should have thrown the ball much sooner), horribly underthrown and over the wrong shoulder. Can we really blame Plax for not making that catch? Well.....yeah, I can. Refer to: "When you're a playmaker you have to make plays." That ball needs to be caught. Another ugly pass from our superstar QB, but that must be caught.

Anyway.....like Swami said, Plax has made us a much better offense. Nobody is perfect. Shockey has dropped at least a pass per game since he was drafted and mysteriously disappears too often. But still a great talent on this offense.
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I didn't see the play live but the radio guys said it was a perfect pass and the replay I saw it certainly seemed to be pretty much on target, though the replay angle was from the end zone. Maybe Burress looked over the wrong shoulder first? Maybe it was thrown to the shoulder away from the DB? Either way you have to make that catch.
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Not a perfect throw, not close. You don't have to jump up for a perfect throw. It hits you in stride and he did have a step until he had to come back to the ball.

Perhaps Burress looked over the wrong shoulder first, but I have a hard time believing that's the case. When a receiver does that, it's the throw 99.9% of time. I also don't think Eli is throwing to the back shoulder of a corner, 50 yards down field at this point in his career. I'll go with Occam's Razor on this one.

Yes, no matter what....it needed to be caught. It hit him right in the hands and wasn't knocked out.
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Then Papa & Jennings were wrong. They said, more than once that the throw was perfect. As I said the replay I saw was a bad angle.
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I don't know what game they were watching, but that throw was far from perfect.

I heard that Plax said something yesterday about not getting the ball enough. Did you hear that? That just kills me. Talk about picking your spots. :nonono:
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Maybe they meant perfect in the essence that it wasn't Eli's usual wobbler. But it wasn't on target. Typical of Eli.
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I heard that Plax said something yesterday about not getting the ball enough. Did you hear that? That just kills me.


Apparently he has been grumbling a bit for a couple of weeks now. Again, not a surprise and not a real big deal. He needs to step his game back up to where it was before. If the role was reversed last week and the ball went off Toomer's hands does Burress make the catch or would he have given up on the play when the ball wasn't thrown to him?
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