You guys don't mine if Osi doesn't say with NY do you?

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You guys don't mine if Osi doesn't say with NY do you?
Topic Started: May 1 2012, 03:40 PM (164 Views)
Eli_Manning_10	May 1 2012, 03:40 PM Post #1
If your not a New York Giants fan then... what the hell are you? Posts: 10,080 Group: Senior Member Member #80 Joined: April 26, 2004	Well I hate to admit it I want him to stay (i'm selfish i know) even though he's not the best run stopping DE we have and he's mostly a pass rusher. I really think even though we didn't deal anything with him in the draft he'll still be on his way. I just don't see him playing for us in 2012 unless a miracle happens such as swallowing his pride suck it up and play his last contract with us. We'll be fine without Osi There's so many contact issues anyways with other players like Nicks, Cruz, Tuck, and I think JPP as well. Anyways what do you guys think?



10Giants	May 1 2012, 06:48 PM Post #2
ProBowler Posts: 826 Group: Senior Member Member #148 Joined: April 23, 2005	Its not selfish to want him to stay. He has been a big part of 2 world championship runs. Yes, he has grumbled the last couple of years but what seems to go unnoticed is that neither the team officials or the players seem to get upset at this and seem to want him to stay. There is something to the intangibles that certain players bring beyond the measurables and Osi seems to be such a player. Wouldn't surprise me a bit if he retires a Giant.



BlueHeart	May 3 2012, 08:24 PM Post #3
Gifted, But, Twisted Fearless Leader Posts: 21,521 Group: Admin Member #1 Joined: May 20, 2003 Favorite Team Giants... duh.	I'd prefer him to stay, too. This dance between him and Reese is just that: between them two. As long as it doesn't negatively affect the rest of my team and he does his job, and well, I'm over getting pissed at him about this crap. I bought into it alot last year. Maybe too much has happened this last year for me to take this kinda crap to heart.



27Hampton	May 3 2012, 08:39 PM Post #4
Hall of Famer Posts: 18,789 Group: Da Family Member #4 Joined: May 21, 2003	We haven't been able to trade him for anything nearly substantial...AGAIN (not shocking AT ALL), and considering that he's the one who chose to go after the money several years ago....STFU AND PLAY. I'm sick of hearing about it. Don't blame the Giants for your fuck up.



10Giants	May 4 2012, 06:57 AM Post #5
ProBowler Posts: 826 Group: Senior Member Member #148 Joined: April 23, 2005	I am not sure the Giants have ever seriously tried to trade him. As for shutting up, thats silly. Even with an organization that is as player friendly as the Giants, players are discarded as soon as they are no longer useful, see Shaun O'Hara and Rich Seubert. It is the nature of the business and the players mostly understand that. The flip side of that is that the players have to watch out for themselves and get the most they can. Ownership pretty much understands that too.



Gene	May 4 2012, 10:22 AM Post #6
Down & Out Posts: 14,593 Group: Da Family Member #17 Joined: May 22, 2003 Favorite Team I'm a Giants A.T.M.	Who knows if the Giants think Osi is or isn't a pain in the ass. Just because I do doesn't necessarily mean they agree. Reese isn't stupid and this situation isn't that far off from being similar to Barber, Shockey and Burress hijinks. Now I'm not talking personality wise of course, I'm mostly referring to the fact the Giants will not cut off their nose to spite their face. As long as Osi remains valuable (ala Barber, Shockey, Burress) he stays. If someone overwhelms the Giants with an offer.......and the rumor all over the interwebz this morning is that the Ravens are a callin'.......then Umenyiora is a goner. If he plays out his contract and signs a big deal elsewhere for someone else in '13 then the Giants get themselves a pretty good comp pick. If he plays and resigns with the Giants it's a win situation. Win/Win/Win.



27Hampton	May 4 2012, 10:33 PM Post #7
Hall of Famer Posts: 18,789 Group: Da Family Member #4 Joined: May 21, 2003	10Giants May 4 2012, 06:57 AM I am not sure the Giants have ever seriously tried to trade him. As for shutting up, thats silly. Even with an organization that is as player friendly as the Giants, players are discarded as soon as they are no longer useful, see Shaun O'Hara and Rich Seubert. It is the nature of the business and the players mostly understand that. The flip side of that is that the players have to watch out for themselves and get the most they can. Ownership pretty much understands that too. Remember all the shit that O'Hara and Seubert talked about their contract? STFU and play.



27Hampton	May 4 2012, 10:40 PM Post #8
Hall of Famer Posts: 18,789 Group: Da Family Member #4 Joined: May 21, 2003	Gene May 4 2012, 10:22 AM Who knows if the Giants think Osi is or isn't a pain in the ass. Just because I do doesn't necessarily mean they agree. Reese isn't stupid and this situation isn't that far off from being similar to Barber, Shockey and Burress hijinks. Now I'm not talking personality wise of course, I'm mostly referring to the fact the Giants will not cut off their nose to spite their face. As long as Osi remains valuable (ala Barber, Shockey, Burress) he stays. If someone overwhelms the Giants with an offer.......and the rumor all over the interwebz this morning is that the Ravens are a callin'.......then Umenyiora is a goner. If he plays out his contract and signs a big deal elsewhere for someone else in '13 then the Giants get themselves a pretty good comp pick. If he plays and resigns with the Giants it's a win situation. Win/Win/Win. Absolutely. That's why the Giants were asking for a 1st rounder last year. If they could get it, then it's a no brainer. If not? STFU and play. Osi wanted to be paid as a player that would be easily traded for a 1st rounder. Guess what? He was way, WAY off in regard to his value. Embarrassingly so, for him. So the Giants did the right thing, didn't jump at a late 2nd or 3rd rounder...and he had an excellent year for us (when he was on the field). This year? Nobody wanted to touch him for even a 3rd rounder, because only Osi retards his value. He is what he is. Great, yet aging pass rusher with injury issues. Nothing more, nothing less. Of course, now he will play out his contract this year and we'll see what happens. Doesn't change the fact that most fans don't want to hear a player complain when he and his agent made their choice several years ago.



27Hampton	May 4 2012, 10:48 PM Post #9
Hall of Famer Posts: 18,789 Group: Da Family Member #4 Joined: May 21, 2003	27Hampton May 4 2012, 10:33 PM 10Giants May 4 2012, 06:57 AM I am not sure the Giants have ever seriously tried to trade him. As for shutting up, thats silly. Even with an organization that is as player friendly as the Giants, players are discarded as soon as they are no longer useful, see Shaun O'Hara and Rich Seubert. It is the nature of the business and the players mostly understand that. The flip side of that is that the players have to watch out for themselves and get the most they can. Ownership pretty much understands that too. Remember all the shit that O'Hara and Seubert talked about their contract? STFU and play. To add to that, I agree with watching out for yourself and doing the best you can for yourself. No problem with that. Did you hear Kevin Boss trashing the GM? Did you see him taking the Giants GM to court? No, he just did what was best for him. How about Steve Smith? Even the known big mouth of Brandon Jacobs hadn't caused nearly the stir that Osi has in the past two years. Trashing the GM who had made him a multimillionaire. Name another player who caused a fraction of the shit that Osi has/is in recent years. Perhaps it's silly, but handle your contract issues as a man...as a professional. STFU in the media and just play the game.



cyberstorm	May 5 2012, 10:37 AM Post #10
Most Metal Giants fan Posts: 11,465 Group: Da Family Member #25 Joined: May 24, 2003 Favorite Team Nefilim	27Hampton May 4 2012, 10:48 PM 27Hampton May 4 2012, 10:33 PM Quoting limited to 2 levels deep To add to that, I agree with watching out for yourself and doing the best you can for yourself. No problem with that. Did you hear Kevin Boss trashing the GM? Did you see him taking the Giants GM to court? No, he just did what was best for him. How about Steve Smith? Even the known big mouth of Brandon Jacobs hadn't caused nearly the stir that Osi has in the past two years. Trashing the GM who had made him a multimillionaire. Name another player who caused a fraction of the shit that Osi has/is in recent years. Perhaps it's silly, but handle your contract issues as a man...as a professional. STFU in the media and just play the game. My take on the situation Kirwin again said it best,he is under contract,the Giants,like the Steelers and Patriots,know how to play this game,they will not let 1 player bully them into doing something undesireable and have a precident set,they know a players worth,they already find replacements for potential players with contract issues. Kirwin said last night he as a GM would only listen if a team offered up a 1st round pick,and also said that this team is in a wide open window for another Super Bowl run,why trade away a valuable piece to the equasion,what happens if they trade away Osi and one of their other pass rushers goes down(kinda what happened when Strahan retired and Osi was injured in pre season) Go for another Super Bowl this year with a better on paper defense than last year,and let the chips fall in the 2013 offseason



Go_Giants	May 5 2012, 11:40 AM Post #11
Player Posts: 227 Group: Senior Member Member #61 Joined: November 3, 2003	27Hampton May 4 2012, 10:48 PM Did you hear Kevin Boss trashing the GM? Did you see him taking the Giants GM to court? No, he just did what was best for him. How about Steve Smith? Even the known big mouth of Brandon Jacobs hadn't caused nearly the stir that Osi has in the past two years. Trashing the GM who had made him a multimillionaire. Name another player who caused a fraction of the shit that Osi has/is in recent years. Perhaps it's silly, but handle your contract issues as a man...as a professional. STFU in the media and just play the game. Neither Steve Smith or Kevin Boss are currently on Osi level, I could be wrong but believe both of them were coming off of their rookie contracts last year, if you are not a super star, no one is going to listen to you complain about your rookie contract. Osi did not take just the Giants to court, he was selected with a number of other players to sue the NFL during the lockout. The players knew they were behind the eight ball so they went at the NFL with all they had, I would do the same thing if I was in thier position I think just about anyone would. Shockey easily caused more issues then Osi did. We only found out about the issue between Osi and Reese because his affidavit was leaked to the media. I also do not like the Kiwi signing because this is money that could have been used to help pay Osi. Kiwi is a good player, Osi is an impact player. If you want to be traded in the NFL, you have to be a jerk and a headache to force the GM to get rid of you in most cases. I think Osi likes being a Giant and is not the jerk that Shockey is so he is able to cause a stir but not enough of one to be traded. I would have loved to keep him as a Giant for a few more years that is not going to happen. Hopefully he will play this season out then go elsewhere to make his money.



10Giants	May 5 2012, 12:33 PM Post #12
ProBowler Posts: 826 Group: Senior Member Member #148 Joined: April 23, 2005	Quote: Name another player who caused a fraction of the shit that Osi has/is in recent years. Perhaps it's silly, but handle your contract issues as a man...as a professional. STFU in the media and just play the game. As someone else pointed out, the law suit that Osi was involved in was not necessarily his doing. Jerry Reese certainly has never indicated that Osi is a problem. Of course I realize that public statements do not necessarily reflect real attitudes but Reeses seems sincere and certainly they could have gotten something for Osi if they really wanted him gone as they did with Shockey. It is telling to me that, unlike Tiki and Shockey, the other players don't seem to have ever been bothered by Osi's stance. I don't think an arguement can be made that he has ever hurt the team. After all, the law suit and he was most vocal before the 2011 season and look how that ended. As far as I am concerned let him talk as much as he wants if the season ends with a Super Bowl. Quote: Remember all the shit that O'Hara and Seubert talked about their contract? Actually, no I don't but my point was both had contracts with the Giants; both had given their all for the team; and both were considered to be excellent leaders and both were let go as soon as they were not able to contribute despite all that. It has always been bullshit when people want loyalty to a team and a contract from only one side. Players have alot less leverage than the owners do when it comes to contracts.


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