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Offensive Coordinators
Topic Started: Jan 18 2009, 01:50 PM (215 Views)
27Hampton
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I thought I would start a separate thread on this topic because it leads to good debate. At least on message boards where people reply to things and share their opinions...even with a wise-ass, harsh, know-it-all ready to pounce. :watch:

I've said this a hundred times before - it's very clear (at least to me) that no fan of any team will ever, EVER agree with 100% of the play calling during 100% of the games. Most of us think that we can do better from our couch. Including yours truly on many occasions. I've said before, if God himself was calling the plays, we'd all disagree with a good portion of them, on days that we lose.

Gilbride is a very difficult guy to like. He's very hateable. But imo, to argue with his success is pure ignorance when this organization has never had a better offense in its history. And it's not as if he's just benefiting from a bunch of Hall of Famers running routes, throwing passes and taking hand-offs. A group of "nice" players, but let's not confuse this offense with Aikman, Smith, Irvin and Novachek along with the best offensive line in history (those Dallas teams). We have a bunch of over achievers on our Oline. Has anybody ever thought to themselves, 'why do these guys play so well together'? Could it have anything at all to do with the zone blocking scheme that the OC put together, utilizing the athletic ability of this group, since they're not the biggest, most talented group in the world?

Does he have bad games? Oh hell yes. He also abandons the run more often than I would like and I hate using the shotgun as much as we do. It eliminates many play-action opportunities. But I also see why he does it, to create the mismatches. It just makes me crazy when we have a run for 7 yards, 11 yards, 6 yards...then go into the shotgun on first down (even though Eli tells him that's where he is the most comfortable).

But I wonder who we've had in the history of this organization who has been better? Can anybody tell me?

Ron Earhart?
Ray Handley?
John Hufnagel?
Jim Fassel?
Sean Payton? Sean seemingly came down directly from the cross to run our offense. He was the white night. The savior. The guy who would finally get our offense moving and bring us a championship. Yeah, well.....

Discuss....if you dare. :nail:


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Let me tell you something, pendejo.
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Gilbride sucks ass.
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27Hampton
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:lol: oye Thanks for the input. :fist:
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Not defending or knocking the guy, but..

This is some of the best offensive talent the Giants have had in last 15-20 years.
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Yes, there is certainly talent here.

Mark my words though, if Gilbride goes to the Raiders - which seems to be more and more likely - the next coordinator will get trashed after a few losses where the offense struggles. There's no doubt about it. We could have a running back who loses 5 fumbles, a QB who throws 7 INTs and WRs who drop pass after pass....when it comes down to it, it'll be the poor bastard's fault.

If players execute the game plan and we win another Super Bowl, it'll be all because of the new savior OC.

Until the players don't execute and we start to lose again. Then he should be fired due to incompetence.

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No no no..... when the Giants win the SB, it's because the players are great. When they lose, it's because the OC sucks. Get it right Hampy. Duh.
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Ah, good point. But if we win next year with a new OC, the haters will be sayingl "see....we won with Joe Shmo, not Killdrive. Joe Shmo rules!!".

Then we'll lose the next two games the following year and he should have his head severed and hung outside Giants stadium. lol



Edited by 27Hampton, Jan 18 2009, 09:14 PM.
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Well, all we can really hope for at this point is someone whose name we can make witty jokes out of.

Think of the IMPORTANT shit, people.
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We make fun of player's names, might as well make fun of the coach's names too!

That was the BEST draft! lololol "Ernie is just fucking with the commish! Hahahaha!"
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Jan 18 2009, 05:47 PM
Not defending or knocking the guy, but..

This is some of the best offensive talent the Giants have had in last 15-20 years.
Agreed. Problem is, he didn't come close to utilizing them correctly most of the time. Some of the game plans were striaght up baffling and he didn't adjust

I might catch some hell for this, especially in light of what transpired this afternoon, but do you know who almost always seems to make great adjustments in the 2nd half, at least offensively?

Philly :ermm:

When they are down at the half, I've noticed that they always seem to be able to find the holes in the opposing D. Today was a great example. Down 24-6 and came all the way back for a lead. 21 unanswered points in 8 mins. They've been doing it for years

I don't recall ever seeing us do that on an even semi-consistent basis. We always seem to be playing not to lose late in games and it drives me fucking insane. We get conservative when we shouldn't
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KCGirl
Jan 19 2009, 12:12 AM
We make fun of player's names, might as well make fun of the coach's names too!

That was the BEST draft! lololol "Ernie is just fucking with the commish! Hahahaha!"
I was thinking more along the lines of "Killdrive" etc... but yes... :rofl: that was classic.

Us hungover as fuck on the couch...

And with the 50-something pick of the 2003 draft the NY Giants select Osi Umenyiora...."

*Blue looks at KC*

"What the fuck did he just say?"

-KC looks back at Blue and shrugs*

"I have noooo idea."
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Jan 19 2009, 12:29 AM
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Jan 18 2009, 05:47 PM
Not defending or knocking the guy, but..

This is some of the best offensive talent the Giants have had in last 15-20 years.
Agreed. Problem is, he didn't come close to utilizing them correctly most of the time. Some of the game plans were striaght up baffling and he didn't adjust

I might catch some hell for this, especially in light of what transpired this afternoon, but do you know who almost always seems to make great adjustments in the 2nd half, at least offensively?

Philly :ermm:

When they are down at the half, I've noticed that they always seem to be able to find the holes in the opposing D. Today was a great example. Down 24-6 and came all the way back for a lead. 21 unanswered points in 8 mins. They've been doing it for years

I don't recall ever seeing us do that on an even semi-consistent basis. We always seem to be playing not to lose late in games and it drives me fucking insane. We get conservative when we shouldn't
Good point, but also kind of ironic though isn't it, that Eagles fans CONSTANTLY complain about the play calling. Too much pass, too many deep throws, always calling for the fat boy's head, etc.

It just goes straight to my point, that no matter what...fans will complain about play calling after losses. Perhaps they do make great adjustments, but if everything isn't perfect all the time, it's the play calling. Also, it's interesting that it must be the play calling when things do turn and start going better than they did in the first half. Could it be that the QB started throwing more accurate passes and the receivers were just getting open? It didn't look to me like they were doing anything any different. Just executing the plays that were called. Just a thought.




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You-men-whatta?

Friggin Ernie!


:rofl: (well, if we could have moved off the couch.....)
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Hadron
Jan 18 2009, 05:47 PM
Not defending or knocking the guy, but..

This is some of the best offensive talent the Giants have had in last 15-20 years.

BlueSunday
Jan 19 2009, 12:29 AM
Agreed. Problem is, he didn't come close to utilizing them correctly most of the time. Some of the game plans were striaght up baffling and he didn't adjust

I might catch some hell for this, especially in light of what transpired this afternoon, but do you know who almost always seems to make great adjustments in the 2nd half, at least offensively?

Philly :ermm:

When they are down at the half, I've noticed that they always seem to be able to find the holes in the opposing D. Today was a great example. Down 24-6 and came all the way back for a lead. 21 unanswered points in 8 mins. They've been doing it for years

I don't recall ever seeing us do that on an even semi-consistent basis. We always seem to be playing not to lose late in games and it drives me fucking insane. We get conservative when we shouldn't

Could not have said this better
Our offense needed to change when we lost Plax,we were more suited to run quick slants,bubble screens,shallow crossing routes out of the bunch sets,ect
How many times did you see that run?
And we all know how i feel about abandoning what is working,Jacobs should have had at least 150 yards bt himself the way he was running,especially with Eli not having a good day.
Reid adjusted that game,to all the paterns i suggested.
And I think our talent on offense covered up Gilbride's shortcommings.
Edited by cyberstorm, Jan 20 2009, 03:41 AM.
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27Hampton
Jan 19 2009, 12:42 PM
BlueSunday
Jan 19 2009, 12:29 AM

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Good point, but also kind of ironic though isn't it, that Eagles fans CONSTANTLY complain about the play calling. Too much pass, too many deep throws, always calling for the fat boy's head, etc.

It just goes straight to my point, that no matter what...fans will complain about play calling after losses. Perhaps they do make great adjustments, but if everything isn't perfect all the time, it's the play calling. Also, it's interesting that it must be the play calling when things do turn and start going better than they did in the first half. Could it be that the QB started throwing more accurate passes and the receivers were just getting open? It didn't look to me like they were doing anything any different. Just executing the plays that were called. Just a thought.




I dunno, man. I think with Gilbride, it's warranted most of the time. He might call one really great, balanced game that works like a mofo all day long. The following week, even against a much inferior opponent, he'd call an absolute shit game that makes no sense at all

The 2nd Skins game from last season is a perfect example. 30-40mph winds and he calls 53 pass plays :whoa:

The one constant is his love of abandoning the run, especially when it's working. We could be up by 30 pts in the 4th and he'd still throw the fucking ball.

You definitely have a point about the blame game after a loss. It's just that MANY times, Killdrive has literally cost us games with his unexplainable thought process. Yeah, sometimes it isn't executed by the players, but a lot of it shouldn't have been called in the first place, y'know? How many times this season were we in something like a 3rd and 17 in opposing territory and we got a freakin' DRAW?!

The only things a draw does in that situation:

1. Gains 3 yards
2. Gets me drinking harder
3. Forces me to once again scratch my head and ask the eternal question, "Why?"
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