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| Tweet Topic Started: Jan 14 2009, 08:51 AM (502 Views) | |
| KCGirl | Jan 14 2009, 08:51 AM Post #1 |
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I heard this morning that the Giants extended Eli's contract. I heard $110mil, but I didn't hear for how long. I can't find anything about it either. Had a link that said 'til 2012, but then when I clicked the link, it was from the last time they did his contract..... His current contract is up at the end of the 2009 season I believe. Unless they cleared up some $$ to resign Jacobs AND Ward, why do this now?!?!?! Why not wait until you have resigned the RB you NEED to resign, then move on from there? Anyone else know more/other details? |
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| 10Giants | Jan 14 2009, 09:50 AM Post #2 |
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Typically when a contract is extended one of the points of doing so is to give the team some additional cap room. I don't see how an extension could make Eli's 2009 cap number any higher for the team so this shouldn't negatively impact their efforts to sign Jacobs and Ward. |
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| KCGirl | Jan 14 2009, 10:12 AM Post #3 |
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Yeah, I know, I just wanted to know if anyone knew specifics. Because they don't always make sense in their contract decisions. We learned that from Ernie..... |
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| 27Hampton | Jan 14 2009, 10:19 AM Post #4 |
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| 27Hampton | Jan 14 2009, 10:23 AM Post #5 |
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A slightly above average QB becoming quite possibly the highest paid player in the history of the NFL. Ya gotta love this league. We had to extend him, there's little choice. As long as we stay away from home field advantage in the playoffs, we should be fine. It's not my checkbook. "Am I concerned? Sure. You'd like to have it be a lights-out day every time we play. But we'll take care of that. It will get better and he'll get better." But for now, let's just give him as much money as possible. God bless.
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| KCGirl | Jan 14 2009, 10:23 AM Post #6 |
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That's the link I was trying before that sent me to an article that was a year old! lol Thanks Hampy!!! ![]() IMO, Eli is too inconsistent to command that kind of money! He won the SB last year, then shit the bed in the first playoff game this year! Play a good game one week, then fail to show up the following.... I can't take it anymore!!! |
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| 10Giants | Jan 14 2009, 10:38 AM Post #7 |
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He had an excellent playoff run last year where he was the best qb on the field in each game, outplaying two HOF'ers. He then followed it up with his best regular season, improving in virtually every category, especially touchdown to interception ratio. He has done what no Giant QB has done: taking his team to 4 straight playoff appearances and throwing for over 3,000 yards and over 20 td passes in those same 4 years. Even Simms, who played on a team with one of the all time great defenses didn't do either. Yes he had a very bad playoff game. He was far from alone in that. Hall of Fame QB's have bad games, including in big games. The one game should not negate everything that came before. There is no reason to believe he won't continue to improve next season. |
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| 27Hampton | Jan 14 2009, 11:04 AM Post #8 |
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Nobody can take away what he did in those playoff games last year. He'll always get credit for that, as he should. I wouldn't exactly forget about the playoff losses prior to that however, as well as the one on Sunday. You can't win them all, but let's stop short of putting him in the Hall for one great 4 game run. If you're a great quarterback, defenses come into games with the plan of stopping that QB. There hasn't been a defense since Eli has been a professional QB that has game planned to stop him. In fact it's quite the opposite. It's stop the run and make Eli beat you, mostly because teams are fairly confident that he can't. Not to mention that since that's the case, more often than not Eli is throwing against an 8 man front. How has he done throwing into that 8 and sometimes 9 men in the box without Plaxico? I'm not certain of this, but without him, I don't think he has once thrown for more than 200 yards, has he? Has he had a QB rating over 72 while throwing into that 8 man front? Even with a less than stellar WR core, shouldn't the highest paid player in the league be able to fair better against 8 man fronts? Sorry, he's slightly better than mediocre. He's proven that, not me. If he were to be on the open market, I find it extremely difficult to believe that there are more than a few desperate teams that would sign him to the most lucrative contract in the history of the league. But he's ours, we have to do what we have to do to keep him. I'm just of the opinion that we could have done so at a lower price. |
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| 10Giants | Jan 14 2009, 11:36 AM Post #9 |
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He had a bad game on his 1st playoff game true enough. However, he was not the problem in the 2nd one against the Eagles, throwing 2 tds, completing 59% of his passes with an 85.6 QB rating in that game.
Never said anything of the kind so not really relevant now is it?
And as last year's playoff run showed he CAN. BTW that's the recipe that most team have had against great Giant teams in the Simms and Collins era too.
Fair question. Over the 7 regular season games without Burress this year, he threw for over 200 yards twice and threw over 300 yards for the only time this year. WITH Burress he threw for over 200 yards 3 times ( & just missing once against the Steelers with 199).
His QB rating in the games without Burress, including the playoff loss was 84.7 (90.9 in the regular season) This is actually a bit higher than his QB rating in the games with Burress (82.8) Oh and only one other time, besides the playoff game, in that span was his rating below 72, as opposed to twice in the games with Burress.
This is the danger of going with perceptions which are often biased. If your perceptions that he never threw for over 200 yards or had a better than 72 rating without Burress or had a stretch where he couldn't complete more than 52% of his passes were accurate you would have a case.
You are aware that the article you linked to is speculation and that no contract extension is even close to happening yet don't you? From the article:
As for whether he is "worth it", look at some of the other 7 QB's that have gotten contracts for over $100 million: Palmer, McNabb, Bledsoe, and Vick. While this could change soon with McNabb, can anyone tell me what these lack that Eli already has? Also from the article:
In other words, it is very likely that if he doesn't perform, he won't earn anywhere near the full value. |
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| 27Hampton | Jan 14 2009, 11:55 AM Post #10 |
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And as last year's playoff run showed he CAN. BTW that's the recipe that most team have had against great Giant teams in the Simms and Collins era too. Simms nor Collins were the highest paid players in NFL history. As for whether he is "worth it", look at some of the other 7 QB's that have gotten contracts for over $100 million: Palmer, McNabb, Bledsoe, and Vick. While this could change soon with McNabb, can anyone tell me what these lack that Eli already has? Also from the article: You may want to include QBs like Peyton, Brady and Favre in that list. Ya know, quarterbacks who actually will go into history as some of the best players ever - and do have what Eli has. And like I said, we have to resign him and this is the market. I just find it a little absurd to make an average QB the highest paid player in the history of the league. Yes, I'm basing that on what is being reported. Sorry, that's what I have to go on right now. If you have information that differs from what is being reported, please share. Until then, I will base my opinion on what we know at this current time. You obviously feel that he's an Elite QB. That he makes players around him better. That he deserves to be the highest paid player in the history of the NFL. More power to ya. We disagree. |
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| Gene | Jan 14 2009, 12:20 PM Post #11 |
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| 10Giants | Jan 14 2009, 12:32 PM Post #12 |
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And as of right now, neither is Eli Manning. I believe that honor goes to Mr. McNabb doesn't it?
Yes they would be the other 3 as of right now.
It is your biased perception that he is only average. I already showed where the basis of some of that perception is flawed, not that I really expect you to ever admit it.
Did you actually READ what was being reported? If so you would know that this contract is still very hypothetical at this juncture. Nothing has been written down nor even advance beyond preliminary talks. All this was in the article that you provided the link to. Do you have anything that shows that the article is wrong and that the contract actually exists? I already provided you with quotes from that article which showed this to be all speculation at this point.
You do like to put words in other people's mouths as a way to make your arguement look better. Depending on your definition of elite, no I never said he was there yet. He doesn't have to be to be better than where you place him. I DO believe he is a good QB who has continued to improve and will get even better. Aside from Peyton and Brady, there aren't any QB's on the over $100 million dollar contract list that makes players around them that much better. Favre used to but not really at this stage of his career. I also never said that he deserved to be the highest paid player in the league. I'll wait until he actually is that to worry about that. I have no problem saying he IS worth it more than the 4 on that list I mentioned. |
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| Hadron | Jan 14 2009, 12:47 PM Post #13 |
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Peyton Manning. 3 MVPs 1 Super Bowl win 6 'one and done' playoff appearances. If I was paying a QB a massive contract, I'd want more than just getting to the playoffs. Then again, you could be the teams paying a massive QB contract with no playoff appearances. Does the thought of Eli getting a $100 mil contract bother me? Yep. Not trying to defend it! |
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| 27Hampton | Jan 14 2009, 12:51 PM Post #14 |
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"And as of right now, neither is Eli Manning. I believe that honor goes to Mr. McNabb doesn't it? " Please save me the time in repeating myself and refer to my last post in regard to what this entire thread is based on. Speculation or not, until additional information is reported, it's all we have to go on. Again...that was the basis of this thread. It's a message board, we're discussing the day's news. "It is your biased perception that he is only average. I already showed where the basis of some of that perception is flawed, not that I really expect you to ever admit it." Somehow, I knew you couldn't just deal with the fact that we have differing opinions. Here's a QB who has been a starter in the league for 5 years and only once has a QB rating over 77 for the season. As hard as it may be for you to accept, there are those who feel he's an average QB who had a fantastic 4 game stretch last year. You obviously are not in that camp. If you feel that my opinion or perception is flawed, well...that's ok 10Giants. I can live with that. I hope you come to grips with it as well, for your own well being because your rants will do little to change my apparent flawed opinion. |
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| 10Giants | Jan 14 2009, 01:06 PM Post #15 |
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Sorry, but there IS a difference between treating this "news" as if it was an already signed and sealed contract and treating it for what it is, which is speculation on a possible contract which may or may not even happen. Unfortunate that you cannot see that. I will point you to the first sentence from the person who started this thread: My pointing out that this was in error is perfectly valid.
I have no trouble with differing opinions, that is your territory. The flaws I mentioned were your contention that Eli didn't throw for over 200 yards in any game without Burress and that he did not have a QB rating in those games higher than 72. Those contentions WERE inaccurate.
Again, easy to accept. The one who has trouble accepting that there are those who feel the opposite is you. It must have been painful for you to have to wait almost a whole year before you could drag out your Eli is an average QB rants.
I would hope that you could live with being wrong, and by wrong I'm talking about the contentions I mentioned above. You can admit they were wrong can't you?
You are quite good at making it sound like it is those who dare to disagree with you that have the problem, I'll give you that. I'm sure that is great comfort for you. Don't worry, I'm not going to get into an extended arguement with you on this. I've made my point & you've made yours. Edited by 10Giants, Jan 14 2009, 01:08 PM.
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