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Boom/Bust - Potential Changes?
Topic Started: Mar 20 2010, 03:30 PM (2,543 Views)
AvsGM Mar 20 2010, 03:30 PM Post #1
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 Given the large amount of complaining on many issues related to the boom/bust draft, I think now is a good time to discuss any changes that could be made to it to improve it. Obviously no solution will be ideal for every GM but perhaps we can find something that everyone can live with.

I have mentioned before changes I would like to see, and have thought more about it based on suggestions/thoughts so here is what I propose:

Booms:

Forwards:
POT - <7 increased to 7, 7 increased to 8, 8 and 9 left alone
CON to 76 (unless initially higher)
SH +20 (min 80/max 120 for 7 pot, 110 for 8 and 9 pot)
PL +20 (min 80/max 120 for 7 pot, 110 for 8 and 9 pot)
ST +10 (min 80/max 120 for 7 pot, 110 for 8 and 9 pot)
PO +10 (min 75/max 110 for 7 pot, 100 for 8 and 9 pot)
CH +10 (min 75/max 110 for 7 pot, 100 for 8 and 9 pot)
HI +10 (min 75/max 110 for 7 pot, 100 for 8 and 9 pot)
SK bumped up to 100
EN bumped up to 100
FO +10
LE +10
ST +10

Defenceman:
For those 6'2" or taller
POT - <7 increased to 7, 7 increased to 8, 8 and 9 left alone
CON to 76 (unless initially higher)
SH +20 (min 70/max 100)
PL +20 (min 70/max 100)
ST +10 (min 70/max 100)
PO +10 (min 90/max 120 for 7 pot, 110 for 8 and 9 pot)
CH +10 (min 90/max 120 for 7 pot, 110 for 8 and 9 pot)
HI +10 (min 90/max 120 for 7 pot, 110 for 8 and 9 pot)
SK bumped up to 100
EN bumped up to 100
LE +10
ST +10

For those 6'1" or shorter
POT - <7 increased to 7, 7 increased to 8, 8 and 9 left alone
CON to 76 (unless initially higher)
SH +20 (min 70/max 100)
PL +20 (min 70/max 100)
ST +10 (min 70/max 100)
PO +15 (min 100/max 125 for 7 pot, 115 for 8 and 9 pot)
CH +15 (min 100/max 125 for 7 pot, 115 for 8 and 9 pot)
HI stays the same
SK bumped up to 100
EN bumped up to 100
LE +10
ST +10

Goalies:
If 8 pot - con goes to 76 (if originally 76+, goes to 85)
If 7 pot with con >90 - goes to 8 pot/76 con
If 7 pot with con 76-89 - goes to 7 pot/90 con
If 7 pot with con <76 - goes to 7 pot/76 con
If 6 pot or below - goes to 7 pot/70 con (if con is higher, left alone)



Busts

Forwards:
For those >6'2"
POT - no change
CON - to 65
SH -20 (min 70/max 100)
PL -20 (min 70/max 100)
ST +5 (max 125)
PO - same
CH +5 (min 90/max 115)
HI +10 (min 90/max 115)

For those <6'2"
POT - no change
CON - to 65
SH -20 (min 70/max 100)
PL -20 (min 70/max 100)
ST +5 (max 125)
PO +10 (min 100/max 120)
CH +10 (min 100/max 120)
HI same

Defenceman:
For those >6'2"
POT - no change
CON - to 65
SH -10 (min 50)
PL -10 (min 50)
ST -5 (min 50)
PO -10
CH -5
HI +5

For those <6'2"
POT - no change
CON - to 65
SH -10 (min 50)
PL -10 (min 50)
ST -5 (min 50)
PO -5
CH +5
HI same

Goalies:
If 8 pot with >75 CON - becomes 8 pot/65 con
If 8 pot with <76 CON - becomes 7 pot/76 con
If 7 pot with >79 con - becomes 7pot/70 con
If 7 pot with <80 con - becomes 7pot/55 con
If 6 pot or below - con becomes 60


*Note on the min/max's:
For when stats are gained (ie +10):
The min is minimum it would increase to (ie if a forward booms who has 50 SH, it would go up to the min of 80 (not 70))
The max is the most the stat would increase to (ie if a forward with 115 SH boomed, they would go to 125, not 135). However if their initial stat was higher then the max, it would remain at the higher stat.

For when stats are lost, it is opposite:
The min is the furthest it would fall to (ie if a forward with 80 SH busts, it would only fall to 70, not 60).
The max is the highest it could be (ie a forward with 150 SH busts, it would go down to 100, not 130).



As for how it is implemented, I still like doing it over multiple seasons, although after thinking about it I would limit busts to happening following the draft, one season later, and one season after that (so three times). Each season would have only 1-2 busts. That way it won't ever affect players once they are established NHLers, just perhaps players that at most would have one season under their belts (ie flash in the pans).

For booms, it would be four times, happening: directly following the draft, two years later, two years after that and two more years later with each season having 3-4 booms per time.

So if this happened for the 2024 draft, you would have:

Busts:
1st - Following draft
2nd - Following 2025 draft
3rd - Following 2026 draft

Booms:
1st - Following 2024 draft
2nd - Following 2026 draft
3rd - Following 2028 draft
4th - Following 2030 draft


For booms, it can be anyone on the CSB list (for that draft year). For busts, it will be limited to the top 100 (which will still contain a lot of mediocre players).

Following each draft, any player 20 years and older that was not drafted will be released to the free agency pool (so future booms may be free agents). Players will be limited to only booming or busting once in their career obviously.


I know this seems like a very convoluted way of doing it, but to make it work the best I think it has to be a bit complex. I think this system will cause players who bust to turn into grinders and and depth players (and if a really good player busts most likely would still be an effective 2nd liner).
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AvsGM Mar 20 2010, 05:32 PM Post #2
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 Another way that it could be altered (this has nothing to do with the ceilings/pot/con changes, just timing) is:

Basically the boom/bust aspect stays as it is (done directly after the draft). All players 20 and older not drafted are released to free agency. A list can be created of these players from the CSB listing from that draft)

The following year (or possibly even year 1, 2, 3 after the draft) the undrafted free agent prospects would undergo a boom draft. This would mimic the real-world scenario of undrafted players going the college route and getting signed when they are in their 20's (Dustin Penner, Tyler Bozak, Chris Kunitz, etc) or CHL overagers (many undrafted junior players get contracts once they are no longer draft eligible) that were never drafted or Europeans that didn't get noticed until they were a bit older (Jonas Gustavsson)

Some limits would have to be put in place: They can't be signed by a team (so you can't sign all the players that are released hoping they will boom). Also in terms of contracts, as their is usually bidding wars for these players, and to counter the glitch of signing players to high contracts then immediately after re-sign them for cheap) I would say that contracts should be 3 year minimums and one-way contracts (this will make it easier for rebuilding teams to sign them as they will have more cap room available, and players in real life tend to sign for the weaker teams that will give them playing time). I would also suggest that they get stat increases so they are near NHL calibre like in real life (so you won't have a 23 year old with 40's attributes that might not increase enough to become a NHLer by the time they stop improving). Something like bringing them up to 65 or so (unless that is over what their ceilings predict).
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 I really like most of these idea's. I like the fact that every player would be eligible to boom, and that even alot of busts won't turn into completely useless players. I would say limit the busts to 1 a year under that system, and probably 2 or 3 booms(if you are doing it every 2 years under that system).

My only issue is the whole 20 year old thing. Perhaps limit it to say 20-22 years old. The reasoning is I know in the past I have gone out and looked for spare 20-25 year-olds to sign, just to make sure I had extra bodies on the farm in case of injuries.

And obviously IMO the earliest this could be implemented would be for next years draft(although perhaps you could implement the overage part this offseason).
Edited by HawksGM, Mar 20 2010, 06:34 PM.
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AvsGM Mar 20 2010, 08:53 PM Post #4
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 Just for information, here are some numbers:

For what would happen to the players that just boomed in this past boom/bust draft:

OS = old system
PS = proposed system

Player: Joe Littman
Original Pot: <7

SH - OS:67 PS:74
PL - OS: 99 PS:99
ST - OS: 99 PS:99
CH - OS: 63 PS:63
PO - OS: 63 PS:63
HI - OS: 96 PS:96
SK - OS: 48 PS:74
EN - OS:74 PS:74
FO - OS: 72 PS:79


Player: Boleslav Bellas
Original Pot: <7

SH - OS: 61 PS:68
PL - OS: 94 PS:90
ST - OS: 99 PS:99
CH - OS: 50 PS:54
PO - OS: 54 PS:54
HI - OS: 54 PS:54
SK - OS: 72 PS:72
EN - OS: 72 PS:72
FO - OS: 58 PS:65


Player: Yuri Kartsev
Original Pot: 7

SH - OS: 76 PS: 84
PL - OS: 76 PS:84
ST - OS: 83 PS:84
CH - OS: 76 PS:76
PO - OS: 71 PS:71
HI - OS: 99 PS:99
SK - OS: 99 PS:99
EN - OS: 99 PS:99
FO - OS: 70 PS:78

Player: Unto Nieminen
Original Pot: 8

SH - OS: 91 PS:91
PL - OS: 79 PS:87
ST - OS: 79 PS:79
CH - OS: 66 PS:66
PO - OS: 66 PS:66
HI - OS: 66 PS:66
SK - OS: 83 PS:83
EN - OS: 66 PS:83
FO - OS: 81 PS:89

Player: Bruno Rochette
Original Pot: 8

SH - OS: 79 PS: 87
PL - OS: 70 PS: 78
ST - OS: 52 PS:61
CH - OS: 83 PS:83
PO - OS: 83 PS:83
HI - OS: 86 PS:96
SK - OS: 88 PS:88
EN - OS: 78 PS:76


Player: Vinny Helpers
Original Pot: 8

SH - OS:99 PS: 99
PL - OS: 79 PS:87
ST - OS: 79 PS:79
CH - OS: 66 PS:66
PO - OS: 66 PS:66
HI - OS: 66 PS:66
SK - OS: 83 PS:83
EN - OS: 83 PS:83
FO - OS: 77 PS:91

Player: Joe Griffith
Original Pot: 8

SH - OS: 87 PS: 99
PL - OS: 87 PS:99
ST - OS: 95 PS:91
CH - OS: 66 PS:66
PO - OS: 75 PS:75
HI - OS: 75 PS:75
SK - OS: 99 PS:99
EN - OS: 83 PS:83
FO - OS: 99 PS:99

Player: Stefan Karlander
Original Pot: 7

SH - OS:65 PS: 73
PL - OS: 60 PS:69
ST - OS: 69 PS:69
CH - OS: 95 PS:99
PO - OS: 95 PS:99
HI - OS: 60 PS:60
SK - OS: 80 PS:86
EN - OS: 86 PS:86


If good players bust, this is what would happen:

Player: Carl Cipollone
Original Pot: 8

SH - OS: 61 PS: 62
PL - OS: 79 PS: 82
ST - OS: 61 PS: 82
CH - OS: 61 PS: 82
PO - OS: 54 PS:70
HI - OS: 61 PS:86

Originally: 85 OF 75 DF
Old system: 67 OF 59 DF
Proposed system: 75 OF 79 DF

Player: Karri Maatiali
Original Pot: 7

SH - OS:88 PS:73
PL - OS: 55 PS:55
ST - OS: 60 PS:84
CH - OS: 50 PS:69
PO - OS: 61 PS:78
HI - OS: 63 PS:88

Originally: 81 OF 74 DF
Old system: 67 OF 58 DF
Proposed system: 70 OF 78 DF



Player: Darryl Sillinger
Original Pot: 9

SH - OS:62 PS:65
PL - OS: 73 PS:73
ST - OS: 66 PS:88
CH - OS:58 PS:79
PO - OS:66 PS:83
HI - OS: 66 PS:92

Originally: 84 OF 80 DF
Old system: 67 OF 73 DF
Proposed system: 75 OF 84 DF



Player: Adam Bean
Original Pot: 8

SH - OS:61 PS: 69
PL - OS: 32 PS:43
ST - OS: 78 PS:93
CH - OS: 68 PS:82
PO - OS: 67 PS:77
HI - OS: 61 PS:82

Originally: 73 OF 83 DF
Old system: 57 OF 65 DF
Proposed system: 68 OF 80 DF



Player: Marty McSorley
Original Pot: 7

SH - OS: 34 PS: 39
PL - OS: 27 PS:39
ST - OS: 92 PS:99
CH - OS: 63 PS:77
PO - OS: 75 PS:88
HI - OS: 92 PS:99

Originally: 61 OF 91 DF
Old system: 51 OF 76 DF
Proposed system: 59 OF 88 DF


And the question on some peoples mind, what happens if a top pick booms:

Player: Carl Cipollone
Original Pot: 8

SH - PS: 90
PL - PS:98
ST - PS:86
CH - PS:82
PO - PS:78
HI - PS:82

Originally: 85 OF 75 DF
Proposed system: 91 OF 80 DF


Player: Karri Maatiala
Original Pot: 7

SH - PS: 99
PL - PS:90
ST - PS:90
CH - PS:83
PO - PS:89
HI - PS:91

Originally: 81 OF 74 DF
Proposed system: 93 OF 87 DF


Player: Darryl Sillinger
Original Pot: 9

SH - PS:88
PL - PS:99
ST - PS:93
CH - PS:84
PO - PS:92
HI - PS:92

Originally: 84 OF 80 DF
Proposed system: 93 OF 89 DF


Player: Adam Bean
Original Pot: 8

SH - PS: 86
PL - PS:62
ST - PS:97
CH - PS:95
PO - PS:94
HI - PS:86

Originally: 73 OF 83 DF
Proposed system: 81 OF 91 DF


Player: Marty McSorley
Original Pot: 7

SH - PS:70
PL - PS:61
ST - PS:99
CH - PS:96
PO - PS:99
HI - PS:99

Originally: 61 OF 91 DF
Proposed system: 76 OF 98 DF
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HawksGM Mar 20 2010, 09:04 PM Post #5
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 Those are some more interesting numbers, especially illustrating how some of the busts would still at least be useful players.

Also shows how some of the top end picks, even in a weaker draft, would turn into superstars if they boomed. If thats a concern(and I'm sure it will be), perhaps limit the increases to ceilings if a 1st round pick booms. As an example, lets say if any pick in the 1st round booms, the ceilings are only increased 50% of what they normally would be. Example:

Forwards(regularly):
POT - <7 increased to 7, 7 increased to 8, 8 and 9 left alone
CON to 76 (unless initially higher)
SH +20 (min 80/max 120 for 7 pot, 110 for 8 and 9 pot)
PL +20 (min 80/max 120 for 7 pot, 110 for 8 and 9 pot)
ST +10 (min 80/max 120 for 7 pot, 110 for 8 and 9 pot)
PO +10 (min 75/max 110 for 7 pot, 100 for 8 and 9 pot)
CH +10 (min 75/max 110 for 7 pot, 100 for 8 and 9 pot)
HI +10 (min 75/max 110 for 7 pot, 100 for 8 and 9 pot)
SK bumped up to 100
EN bumped up to 100
FO +10
LE +10
ST +10

Forwards(if picked in the 1st round):
POT - <7 increased to 7, 7 increased to 8, 8 and 9 left alone
CON to 76 (unless initially higher)
SH +10 (min 80/max 120 for 7 pot, 110 for 8 and 9 pot)
PL +10 (min 80/max 120 for 7 pot, 110 for 8 and 9 pot)
ST +5 (min 80/max 120 for 7 pot, 110 for 8 and 9 pot)
PO +3 (min 75/max 110 for 7 pot, 100 for 8 and 9 pot)
CH +5 (min 75/max 110 for 7 pot, 100 for 8 and 9 pot)
HI +5 (min 75/max 110 for 7 pot, 100 for 8 and 9 pot)
SK bumped up to 100
EN bumped up to 100
FO +5
LE +5
ST +5

Man this is alot of numbers o look at
Edited by HawksGM, Mar 20 2010, 09:09 PM.
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MTL_Pete Mar 20 2010, 09:11 PM Post #6
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 I'd be fine with the proposal... i would like to see 6 POT players who have the CON to POT boost go to 8 POT because it's really little difference between this type of player and a 7 POT who just has a higher ceiling... we all see what could happen when we look a the players.ehm info.
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AvsGM Mar 20 2010, 10:43 PM Post #7
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Also shows how some of the top end picks, even in a weaker draft, would turn into superstars if they boomed. If thats a concern(and I'm sure it will be), perhaps limit the increases to ceilings if a 1st round pick booms. As an example, lets say if any pick in the 1st round booms, the ceilings are only increased 50% of what they normally would be.
It is not so much just an issue for 1st round picks, just 8 and 9 pot players that already have good ceilings. So even con boosters can turn into superstars. The ceiling maxes I put in were a way of countering it, but after doing some mock ones they still didn't seem to be enough.
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HawksGM Mar 20 2010, 11:38 PM Post #8
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Also shows how some of the top end picks, even in a weaker draft, would turn into superstars if they boomed. If thats a concern(and I'm sure it will be), perhaps limit the increases to ceilings if a 1st round pick booms. As an example, lets say if any pick in the 1st round booms, the ceilings are only increased 50% of what they normally would be.
It is not so much just an issue for 1st round picks, just 8 and 9 pot players that already have good ceilings. So even con boosters can turn into superstars. The ceiling maxes I put in were a way of countering it, but after doing some mock ones they still didn't seem to be enough.
Yeah that could be true. Although without really digging and researching, I'd say its safe to assume the majority of 8 and 9 pot players are taken in the 1st round anyways.
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 I have the last 4 drafts in excel so i checked pretty quickly. These are the players drafted after the 1st round who have a 8 or 9 POT.

2023
DraftedWhoPOT
2.01 D Lenny Lew 88
2.03 D Anton Chistoyiak 86
2.04 L Didier Gariépy 82
2.07 D D.J. Neale 87
2.08 C/R Radoslav Kramy 83
2.10 D Bruno Rochette 87
2.14 D Tim Churla 86
2.16 R/L Joe Griffith 83
2.19 L/C Jari Panula 89
2.23 L Vitezslav Schneider 83
2.27 C/R Vinny Helpers 83
2.28 R/L Justin René 83
3.03 R/L Michal Tanolmajer 83
3.12 C/R Brendan Evers 83
4.04 L/C Unto Nieminen 83
4.11 C/L Phil Moog 83
4.12 R/C Wil Lassiter 83
4.23 C/R Yuri Onopco 83


2022
DraftedWhoPOT
2.02 D James Deadmarsh 87
2.03 L/C Craig Alderson 84
2.07 D Xavier Laframboise 86
2.11 D Rudy Lee 86
2.14 D Martin Sénécal 88
2.16 R/L Knut Lounaev 83
2.18 R/C Aimo Rahkamo 83
2.20 C/R Jason Sprague 84
2.27 L/C Rick Ikagawa 84
2.28 R/L Bruno Charest 83
2.29 L Samuel Charette 83
3.13 R/C Jiri Suldesov 82
3.28 C/R Jack Lynch 83
3.29 L Cesar Mertes 83
4.05 D Joel Long 80
4.06 C/R Francis Castonguay 83


2021
DraftedWhoPOT
2.01 C/L Kyle Green 93
2.02 R/C Scott Argueta 82
2.04 D Simon St-Pierre 86
2.05 R Murray Wilsons 90
2.06 R/C Frantisek Hamrlik 91
2.08 L/C Jouni Latti 82
2.09 D Sami Koivu 88
2.12 R/L Derek Smolinski 83
2.14 D Geoff Scatchard 86
2.16 D Lars-Bjorn Neumann 86
2.17 D Aki Varjo 88
2.18 L/R Fredrik Soderstrom 85
2.20 R Vladimir Ovinko 83
2.24 L/R Randy Bonaccorsi 85
2.30 R/C Paul McGratton 85
3.02 L/R Jon Buzak 83
3.05 D Dimitri Vladimirov 87
3.06 C/L Wayne Mckenna 83
3.11 D Phil Niewendyke 88
3.13 R/L Stefan Hilden 81
3.16 L/C Jeff Creighton 83
3.27 R/L Ragnar Fredricsson 81
4.06 C/L Anthony Rabbets 82
4.07 C Dave Almy 83
4.08 C/R Erick Podollan 83
4.17 R Casey Kensett 89
4.23 D Wayne Pecker 80


2020
DraftedWhoPOT
2.01 D Borivoj Bollenbach 98
2.02 D Stanislav Ondreev 87
2.03 R Alfons Wilhelmsson 84
2.04 C/R J.C. Hammett 84
2.07 D Dany Cloutier 88
2.09 L Darryl Homes 89
2.15 C/L Greg Kaat 83
2.19 D Jeronym Mondich 86
2.21 C/L Grigori Ovcharov 84
2.22 C Calvin Rames 83
2.23 L/R Ondrej Myslivecek 83
2.25 D Randy Creighton 87
2.26 C/L Joe Snow 83
2.27 L/C Joe Eulmessekian 83
3.01 R/L Kirill Bezmel 83
3.03 D Charles Patton 80
3.06 D Rex Lovejoy 86
3.10 C/R Jarkko Laakkonen 83
4.04 C Alex Piro 83
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DevilsGM Mar 21 2010, 11:22 AM Post #10
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 Here are my thoughts.

Personally I like keeping the first rounders out of it, although there are a lot of drafts where players outside of the top 5 or 10 could use it to become a star.

I like the bust proposition in the 2 years after the draft. That makes it more realistic, especially with the changes so that the players still can contribute, and don't end up as just farm players.

As for the boom aspect of it. I would include everyone outside of the top 10. That number is just figurative based on the fact some years the draft is weak and others it's strong and that may turn some players into superstars. However, the number is a lot lower than including every player.

I really think the boom draft for down the road players is a great idea. However, since players don't always benefit from it if they are older, perhaps it should be limited to less than 6 years down the road.

My idea would be that any player between 20 & 22 not drafted would go into the boom and be fair game on the free agent market. They would be eligible each year between there. You could use excel to make this work. You enter each of the players based on their player number, filter out everyone that doesn't fit and use a die with that many sides.

That's where my thoughts lie on it
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 I like Jeff's idea though with a few amendments. Goalies with a pot of 7 and a con greater then 84 should be pot increased to 8 while those below 85 should be con boosted to 89.

I agree with Pete somewhat regarding the below pot 7's. I want to see them boosted to pot 8 but ceiling increases limited so that those that are 90 and above are not increased. Increase the ones below 90 by 10 but do not increase above 90. They get a major boost by going to pot 8 but the superstar factor gets seriously limited by the minimal ceiling increase.

Adam had a good point about not including top 10 players in the boom. They are good enough as it is no need to risk creating an abundance of ultra superstars.

Bust should be limited to only 1 to 3 at most.

As far as the con boosters taken in later rounds that could turn into superstars.....so what. Zetterberg, Pavel Datsyuk, I believe nik lidstrom was too, and goalie patrick roy were taken in later rounds....go through the drafts and it has happened more then you think. The chances of it happening in the GHL are rare. Go through the booms and you will see that pot 8 and 9 players taken after the first round have rarely boomed.
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AvsGM Mar 21 2010, 01:53 PM Post #12
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 My biggest concern about not allowing the top 10 to boom, is that it is abit of punishment to the 10 worst teams as likely there isn't much of a difference between the players taken 7-10 and 11-14. I personally prefer a system where they would all be eligible but it is designed to prevent players from becoming too good. Perhaps a system of max ceilings combined with a max total combination of ceilings (ie limit ceilings of SH+PL+SH to equal no more then 330 and 300 for CH+PO+HI, once it reaches that they don't get anymore ceiling increases for the offensive stats). For 9 pot players, it would be 300 for OF stats and 270 for DF stats.

This may get a bit skewed with players who have 150 ceilings, but what can be done is to take the ceiling that would get a player to 99 in that stat (ie for an 83 pot player, a ceiling of 120 = 99 rating, so use 120 in the calculation).

For instance, Karri Miatalli has ceilings of:
SH: 149
PL: 95
ST: 105
CH: 90
PO: 107
HI: 110

Under the first proposed system, he would go up to:
SH: 149
PL: 115
ST: 110
CH: 100
PO: 107
HI: 110

Leading to 93 OF and 87 DF (83 pot after boom)

Under the system I just mentioned:
SH: 149 (but would count as 120 as that puts SH up to 99)
PL: 105
ST: 105
CH: 90
PO: 107
HI: 110

Only PL would increase, and none of the DF stats would increase as it already is >300.

This leads to 91 OF and 85 OF - so still increases the player from their original (81 OF 74 DF) but doesn't create a monster.

For a 9 pot player:
Darryl Sillinger has ceilings of:
SH: 85
PL: 98
ST: 90
CH: 80
PO: 89
HI: 89

Under the first proposed system, he would go up to:
SH: 105
PL: 110
ST: 100
CH: 90
PO: 99
HI: 99

Leading to 96 OF and 90 DF (93 pot)

Under the system I just mentioned:
SH: 100
PL: 100
ST: 100
CH: 90
PO: 90
HI: 90

Leading to 93 OF and 84 DF (93 pot). So still a good increase from the original 84 OF and 80 DF.

After doing Sillinger, I also think the max ceilings for 9 pots should be lower.

For forwards and offence stats/ Defenders and defensive stats:
120 for 7 pot, 110 for 8 pot and 100 for 9 pot. That would limit the increase in those stats to bumping them up to roughly no more then a 90 rating.
For the forwards and defensive stats/defenders and offensive stats it would be:
110 for 7 pot, 100 for 8 pot and 90 for 9 pot.
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DetroitGM Mar 21 2010, 03:00 PM Post #13
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 I agree that our current system isn't the best one, but I'd rather keep it as it is for a couple more years or make some minor changes, before such a turnaround.

How many significant busts have we had since this system was implemented? I remember about Hodek, Gabaniy and a 2nd rounder 78 pot goalie (from SJ I guess).
After we made the last changes in this system to avoid major booms, we still had maybe 6-10 useful players, maybe not all superstars (such this year's MTL one), but good players.

I believe that the current system doesn't improve the overall talent level a lot, but I prefer it like this, instead of the initial years of it, when we had a lot of new superstars every year.

Jeff's idea does sounds interesting, but I would prefer to implement something not as complex. I just can't see how we can handle so many different stuff like this, both to scout as to keep track of it and do it every year.
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 if the current system must stay then I want busts to be change to 0 to 3 and be for all rounds.......The current system sucks arse and I would rather completely scrap the bust draft then keep it as it is.
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CBSgm Mar 21 2010, 06:33 PM Post #15
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My biggest concern about not allowing the top 10 to boom, is that it is abit of punishment to the 10 worst teams as likely there isn't much of a difference between the players taken 7-10 and 11-14. I personally prefer a system where they would all be eligible but it is designed to prevent players from becoming too good. Perhaps a system of max ceilings combined with a max total combination of ceilings (ie limit ceilings of SH+PL+SH to equal no more then 330 and 300 for CH+PO+HI, once it reaches that they don't get anymore ceiling increases for the offensive stats). For 9 pot players, it would be 300 for OF stats and 270 for DF stats.

This may get a bit skewed with players who have 150 ceilings, but what can be done is to take the ceiling that would get a player to 99 in that stat (ie for an 83 pot player, a ceiling of 120 = 99 rating, so use 120 in the calculation).

limiting the ceilings is the way to prevent an influx superstars. There should be max ceilings for each boom category.

If we use the limitations you have suggested then I am good with this.
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